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I'm not looking at it like those at all. That's what you think we are.

Than what is your point?

You saying everyone needs to be vaccinated makes no sense. Not everyone will be vaccinated. That's impossible for a multitude of reasons. But we have a long way to go to reach levels that are acceptable and no longer pandemic.

I'm gonna guess guess there data set is far more accurate than yours.

Your deaths are high for flu. I'd say ideally, if we know Covid is under control globally, and we have widespread distribution of various vaccines that can be used in different parts of World, we should see deaths in the same realm as the seasonal flu. What we have found out though is Covid is not seasonal and can be a year round virus, so we are likely to see a greater emphasis placed on it than the flu when it comes to vaccinations and time period between dosing. Maybe it's once every 6-9mo. Who knows until more efficacy data comes in from the ongoing long term trials.

Yep. That's been the going science for quite some time.

We're already there in this State.

Yep. If the Media has the watcher losing interest in a storyline than they stop watching and revenues drop. They've had a captive audience for a year plus for many and they have kept the narrative going. It's why I can't take watching much, if any, at all.

And those Countries can implements restrictions far more easily than we can here as a Nation.

That's my hope was well.

Don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Because deaths and hospitalizations will be dropping due to the fact that we know there is a correlation to being vaccinated and there being a low risk of those 2 subsequent effects occurring.

I know you don't

And Phin thins we don't know this.

What does age have to do with lives that know can be saved from a vaccine?

Well it's was clear up until vaccinations came on board that the alternative was worse.

From your perspective. We opened up this Country in April/May and look what that brought us. You think that policy works or worked? I think we rushed things on a National level because the political push to open things up was over-whelming. We're now having to backtrack that policy based up rising cases, and now rising hospitalizations and deaths. Had it only been cases rising, I think things would be different. Cases are a leading indicator by a few weeks. States that have higher vaccination rates are showing that the higher case loads do not lead to a spike in hospitalizations or deaths. Again, play it conservative for a bit longer to see how things shake out.

Me too, Millions of front line health care workers have chosen to get vaccinate cause they've seen what a sick Covid patient is like and would rather be vaccinated than risk the opposite.

I'm not ignoring it at all. Public policy is trying to stay ahead of the curve by making recommendations more stringent than what may be necessary. You act as if we're back to March 2020 when we basically couldn't leave our homes unless we were essential workers. This was from the Federal/State level where we were all shut down. Now we have sporadic places that feel the need to enact some more stringent measures and the sky is falling down to you.

Link to data?

Because it's their choice to do so.

I'm not sure why it's so hard to grasp when it's smacking us all in the face. We need to vaccinate as many people as possible to get ourselves out if this. Natural immunity is an option as well but that's not going to break this cycle nearly as fast as mass vaccinating will. Look at states with high rates of vaccinated. Low deaths, low hospitalizations even though cases have gone up.

Yep, we good in MA. Vaccinations good.

Wake me up when the hospitalizations and deaths drop down again.