Baroclinic Zone

Ew, that would skeeve me out

Looking forward to some pool time tomorrow. Gonna need to drain off some after the 4.8".

What you said. I'll be getting it as well. My bet is by October/November, we see the FDA give full approval for Pfizer and maybe even Moderna's mRNA vaccines. This will allow boosters to be give unless we see the EUA broadened to include them prior to full FDA approval. I don't want to risk contracting the virus. Seen far too many friends/family contract it with some cases being severe, including hospitalization. Hell one of own own Forum members died from it.

I have no problem with the WH mandating vaccines for Federal employees. It didn't take an order from the Owner of my company to get people vaccinated. We all jumped at the chance once they 1st became available.

So the WH is mandating every US citizen be vaccinated?

And they're in the minority in this country. Masks, properly worn, have proven to reduce transmission rates, so I have no problem if places want to implement those as they choose. Vaccine mandates aren't being made at the State/Local level towards citizens, so not sure your point there. If a business wants their employees vaccinated, that's their prerogative as we've given business the same rights as citizens for the most pat in this Country.

I'm not looking at it like those at all. That's what you think we are.

Than what is your point?

You saying everyone needs to be vaccinated makes no sense. Not everyone will be vaccinated. That's impossible for a multitude of reasons. But we have a long way to go to reach levels that are acceptable and no longer pandemic.

I'm gonna guess guess there data set is far more accurate than yours.

Your deaths are high for flu. I'd say ideally, if we know Covid is under control globally, and we have widespread distribution of various vaccines that can be used in different parts of World, we should see deaths in the same realm as the seasonal flu. What we have found out though is Covid is not seasonal and can be a year round virus, so we are likely to see a greater emphasis placed on it than the flu when it comes to vaccinations and time period between dosing. Maybe it's once every 6-9mo. Who knows until more efficacy data comes in from the ongoing long term trials.

Yep. That's been the going science for quite some time.

We're already there in this State.

Yep. If the Media has the watcher losing interest in a storyline than they stop watching and revenues drop. They've had a captive audience for a year plus for many and they have kept the narrative going. It's why I can't take watching much, if any, at all.

And those Countries can implements restrictions far more easily than we can here as a Nation.

That's my hope was well.

Don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Because deaths and hospitalizations will be dropping due to the fact that we know there is a correlation to being vaccinated and there being a low risk of those 2 subsequent effects occurring.

I know you don't

And Phin thins we don't know this.

What does age have to do with lives that know can be saved from a vaccine?

Well it's was clear up until vaccinations came on board that the alternative was worse.

From your perspective. We opened up this Country in April/May and look what that brought us. You think that policy works or worked? I think we rushed things on a National level because the political push to open things up was over-whelming. We're now having to backtrack that policy based up rising cases, and now rising hospitalizations and deaths. Had it only been cases rising, I think things would be different. Cases are a leading indicator by a few weeks. States that have higher vaccination rates are showing that the higher case loads do not lead to a spike in hospitalizations or deaths. Again, play it conservative for a bit longer to see how things shake out.

Me too, Millions of front line health care workers have chosen to get vaccinate cause they've seen what a sick Covid patient is like and would rather be vaccinated than risk the opposite.