Like I said, maybe they are right maybe they are not. It's a discussion about a pattern not the final answer which no one knows. You get all upset when someone posts an opposing point of view-for example your post on the La Nina weakening when it clearly is not. We live at 40N not Caribou Maine. What looked like a longer lasting decent pattern is shrinking....Euro has zero precip here (not even rain for another week) I'm sure we'll get something this month but it may (or may not be) the bigger pattern that delivers multiple storms