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Pretty good -NAO here. The pattern isn't half bad. +pna building
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Yeah, the El Nino is becoming west-based.
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I do like that energy dropping into the SW in the LR, for the first few days of December. It implies a bigger storm system moving across the country. Ensembles are split, but some want to develop a -PNA at the time, which I would be weary of because ENSO subsurface is + and strengthening, which actually correlates to +pna, but the slight signal for -pna is on LR models right now.. NAO has been fluctuating back and forth on models too, but if we get the -NAO scenario like the LR 18z gfs ensembles have, that piece of energy moving to us Dec 3-5 could be something to watch. We only average 2-3" of snow in December across the region. Some Winter's every piece works out like 02-03, this will be the first test I think. I know we have images of Pacific warm air in our minds from the last few Winters...
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Winter 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Well, yeah.. but it's a variable. No one realizes how big of a bust last Winter was because it was a La Nina. -
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Fwiw, Natural Gas is trading at 2.9, down from 3.6, which implies a +NAO Winter. Greenland 500mb correlates at +80dm DJF with NG. https://ibb.co/c6X7MyN
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Im about to cancel 24-25 Winter.. we likely will have a +QBO to go along with Nina (same as last Winter)
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12z GFS gives us some flakes early next week
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Pacific changes from unfavorable to favorable for cold 11/20 AO goes negative 11/24 Models try to give NAO negative as a 3rd wave 11/30, but I'd watch for fluctuations, as the last few weeks has had a lot of NAO changes at that range. Then there is signal for wave dropping into the SW 12/1-2, possibly timing with -NAO lifting out around 12/3-5, but that's far away..
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Historically, when strong Nino's don't act like Nino's and produce -PNA's we get strong -NAO patterns in the Wintertime, but let's see what happens. Nov correlation to El Nino and N. Pacific pattern is less than 0.1, since 1948.
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Usually -EPO's verify a little bit cooler anyway.. The Pacific high is a bit south of the classic -EPO position, but the models have been in heavy run-to-run flux and we are in an El Nino..
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The +PNA is not ending up over the NPH (North Pacific High) position at all so far.. that (+NPH) is usually what happens in east-based Nino events.
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It seems like everytime we are dry since 2002, we get very wet periods soon thereafter. I said back in the Summer I wanted a dry Fall..
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Nothing Nino about this.. strong -PNA it looks like for the month of November https://ibb.co/3dppvDs https://ibb.co/YPPdM43 Like I said before, slight correlation to February, but not December.
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9th Annual Mid-Atlantic Snowfall Contest
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to RodneyS's topic in Mid Atlantic
BWI: 48” DCA: 37” IAD: 50” RIC: 26” Tiebreaker SBY: 34”- 179 replies
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Good post. It's lazy to think that an El Nino produces a -PNA December because a few examples show that. The natural state is +PNA. -
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In 2005, I made timeseries of all indexes, and found a strong correlation with N. Atlantic SSTs May-Sept, as a lead predictor to the following Winter's NAO. I don't have the custom index anymore, but you can somewhat see it here: https://ibb.co/M9W0Q63 In the next 17 years, I tested it real time, and found it 13-4 in getting the raw NAO state correct, and in the beginning I estimated a 0.54 SD ("0" is 50% chance of -0.54 to +0.54), and that verifies 9-8, since 2005. Here is this the boxes I calculate, although the most accurate way goes from May-Sept (not May-Aug): https://ibb.co/Y8bTrWL This years SST index comes out at -0.05, so a 50% chance of the DJFM NAO being -0.59 to +0.49 [CPC]. So my supposingly successful method is predicting a "Neutral NAO" for Winter 23-24. Here is this year's raw map and plot: https://ibb.co/ZmQyz8k https://ibb.co/Hx1Mjcs -
No -NAO today lol https://ibb.co/4mqVZzZ
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18z GFS is now developing a -NAO in the MR/LR where it used to have +NAO. Way Above average model run changes since the Spring.
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The NAO actually has a high correlation to precip. 0.4 in December, and near 0.5 for the Winter as a whole. This is why it was so disappointing that last years -NAO didn't deliver: It happened with a wetter than average pattern. I found that there were 2/11 -NAO December's that had a wet pattern (one being last year). I would take a favorable Pacific/+NAO for snow chances 20-30% greater than even.. (of course, you know that when -NAO lifts out we usually get a storm.)
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I think as long as the central-ENSO subsurface stays warm it will be hard for a -PNA to sustain. It's still warming despite the neutral MEI
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These runs are really fluctuating from one to another. Even the ensembles. A few days ago they had a strong LR -PNA, now it's gone.
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People don't understand weather. Why aren't Strong La Nina's cold, if Strong El Nino's are warm? Strong El Nino's are more realistically the blend of the historical analogs of Weak-Moderate-Strong past events put together. Weak El Nino's are more random, or neutral, the cold signal is just a lack of many examples, as it is though somewhat showing the base-Nino state (Weak-Moderate-Strong).
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Opposite correlation, in science you get correlations from 0.00 to 1.00, if you use the negative side you get 2x result. Use anomalies, it mostly works, probably greater than 90% correlated (+ and - side).
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The last 4 +QBO/La Nina's have been historically bad so I'm hopeful I think the trend of the last 7 years is still strong though, for example: I don't expect 02-03 where it was snowing every day, the Winters surrounding that were more alike.