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E PA/NJ/ DE Winter 2021-22 OBS Thread
Hurricane Agnes replied to JTA66's topic in Philadelphia Region
Currently 32 with dp 20. -
I was looking out west at Pittsburgh's WFO forecast and they are talking about a heavy moisture plume there coming out of WV, and may need to have flood watches/advisories go up at some point once the storm begins. So the question will be whether that plume translates over to the east or gets shredded by the mountains, lessening the amounts. Until now, most of the models outside of the NAM, seemed to think mountains schmountains and shunts that moisture, unabated, all the way east. Meanwhile the NAM chose to assume a disrupted flow instead. However now that the 0z NAM is out, it seems to have caved to a more moisture laden set of systems and... We have seen many convective lines "dry up" and fizzle on the way east so will see if this overrunning precip idea continues or what.
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E PA/NJ/ DE Winter 2021-22 OBS Thread
Hurricane Agnes replied to JTA66's topic in Philadelphia Region
The 68 did end up being my high for the day and it's currently 53 with dp 33. There were 3 record highs today per Mt. Holly (ILG, ACY, Atlantic City Marina). -
You do realize the Emergency Managers in each county work with PEMA, right? And they all also work with their federal counterparts through task forces. https://www.pema.pa.gov/About-Us/Pages/default.aspx None of these people operate in a vacuum and they coordinate with each other to deal with major disruptive events - whether there is hazardous weather or a hazardous chemical release in an area. So for example, this was from PEMA and PennDOT this past October regarding how they planned to handle what would be the upcoming winter season - So the county EMs are the point people when it comes to knowledge of the immediate area and can help inform decisions that might require state/federal responses.
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E PA/NJ/ DE Winter 2021-22 OBS Thread
Hurricane Agnes replied to JTA66's topic in Philadelphia Region
Currently sunny and 68 (my high so far today) but with a falling dp since about 2 pm with cold frontal passage, and now down to 45 after an earlier high of 57. -
Well remember too that the interstates (and roads in general) were built to deal with that actual geography (or better, "topography") of the land, so you will see roads that are actually running along natural dips between hills. I live in a hilly area myself and see that, especially because where I am is where the Piedmont begins. The roads will also follow along creeks and rivers. And thus you have I-95 that is running right along the fall line! There was kindof a cool little blog article that I found that sortof talks about that - https://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2018/02/15/following-the-fall-line/ If you look at the criteria, it's not solely dividing along the N/S fall line, which essentially separates the flat coastal plain of NJ from areas west, but they also subdivide by latitude as well. And the interesting issue of the mountains that run across PA, is that the chains run SW to NE on a diagonal, so where they bisect land areas, will have an impact differently vs based solely on latitude. But it would be near impossible to try to micro-tailor the Warnings/Advisories based on climatology down to the degree that you want to see (at least at the moment). I think it was only recently when they were able to actually do "parallelogram" designations of smaller areas (vs county-wide) for the products they issue (notably important for the Warning products like FFW/TOR/TORE, etc). I know the Warning/Advisory criteria have changed over the years and gets tied to area impact. Where I am here in Philly in Chestnut Hill, I know we had a handful of local mets (broadcast ones, the few who were actually mets) who were familiar with hyper-local conditions including northwest Philly. So for example, someone like Elliot Abrams (who many on here know about, who was a co-founder of Accuweather) went to school a few miles from where I live. Similarly, Hurricane Schwartz went to high school here in the city at a school about 5 miles from me (and a block from where I went to HS). So whenever there were local forecasts, those local mets who were actually from here, would take the NWS info as supplementary guidance and would then tailor it to the locale. They knew, for example, that here in the higher elevations of the city, the temps ran several degrees cooler than downtown and we often got more snow here because of that, so adjustments were always made. So remember that they are not just forecasting for up there or for down here but across parts of PA, NJ, all of DE, and parts of MD.