ORH_wxman

Dec 1992 for ORH. Prob Feb 1978 for Holliston but Dec ‘92 was sneaky good here too. So was April ‘97.

I dont think anyone here except maybe one or two of the most star-eyed weenies thinks 2015 is happening this year. There are plenty of other examples though of non-El Nino late blooming winters like 2012-2013, 2000-2001, 1955-56, 1966-67, etc.

This is a weather forum. People are going to discuss a large storm that has some impact on the region even if it’s not a blizzard in their backyard.

That’s why having empirical data archived is really nice. You can debunk any false stories of “winters of yore” pretty easily if they don’t pass the smell test. We just check the data and see what they were like.

I don’t think anyone here in this forum has seriously entertained a classic coastal look for a couple cycles now.

If there’s one aspect of the NAM that makes me a little hesitant to buy the solution is that 850 is a lot warmer than other levels. Usually the NAM hammers that 725-800 layer but it’s not doing that. It has this weird very thin torch layer around 850.

Once the NAM sniffed out that warm layer aloft, you knew it was time to take ‘em down on the front end snow totals. It’s rarely wrong on that part. All the globals will keep slowly ticking toward it….kicking and screaming if need be but they will submit.

Canadian nailed the BGM track but any big snows here it will fail miserably.

Yeah even the interior will touch low 40s I think except once you get deep interior like back toward hippy and the Berkshires.

Under the the winds here. Coastline should rip though.

Yeah shows how shallow the arctic airmass is. If it was a deeper airmass then MWN would be pimping -30s.

Before I knew snow climo I used to always think they got way more than ORH did. I didn’t start figuring it out until maybe when I was about 13 or 14. I had thought the same thing for Springfield too but the December 1992 and March 1993 storms both made me figure it out…but back then prior to internet, I hadnt realized Albany got screwed in Dec 1992. I didn’t read about it until a few years later.

Overall jackpot will be out in western/northwestern NY state and adjacent Canada…but you very well may be the New England jackpot. That area is great on easterly flow.

Agreed. I hadn’t read this post yet but when I responded to hippy i mentioned the sfc warmth is overdone on some of these runs. I think at minimum a triple point low goes over SE MA or close to there (maybe BOS?). I think the midlevels are cooked though based on the upper air evolution.

Agreed. My gut says this keeps warming aloft until about 24h out. Then maybe we get a little messenger tickle but most of the damage will be irreversible by then. I think the sfc warmth is overdone in the deep interior though so it wouldn’t surprise me to see some decent icing and sleet too.

NAM def colder than 12z....but 12z was an epic torch....18z is just merely a torch. Still warmer than the global guidance despite being colder than its own 12z run.

It might be too generous if some of these solutions that have the ML warmth in here almost at go-time end up being more correct. But he could also get 5-6" if things break right.

Yeah, that's the whole "She's not gonna let us out" joke....we want to just let it go but this winter won't let us. Showing a totally loaded pattern going forward so it makes it hard to just punt. I think she just wants to torture us....

EPS likes 3 different windows....first one was Jan 22-23....second is Jan 27ish....and last is Jan 29. But in all honesty, any of the dates between about Jan 21 and the end of the run are primed. It was just focusing on those ones where we see a mean low pressure near the BM or just to our east.

1980s we’re a decent decade for the midatlantic too. So then getting h it a few times definitely fits the 80s theme.

As soon as the rest of us move to the shoreline.

Yeah the NARCAN maps are likely better in this situation.

Yeah it looked a little less crazy amped at H5....but small differences. The small difference do matter, but it's hard to tell if they are real when they are small. Could be model noise. Hopefully we get another couple ticks colder and it would vastly improve the overall tenure of the storm.

The precision at which we get porked in this storm against a plethora of snow-bound analogs is pretty funny though…in a masochistic sort of way. I have done this for 3 days now, but yet, I’m still shocked every time I look at the 4-panel map 24 hours prior to this storm hitting and say “this is going to be mostly a rain event”. It’s amazing. You’d think there was no way. Sure, we’ve had 0F to 45F rainers 12 hours later before but you could easily see it coming when you viewed the maps. This time, it’s not obvious at all until you get to lime T-12 hours or so. Truly surgical precision of getting shafted out of a MECS/HECS type storm.

Yeah we'll see...maybe that shortwave comes in weaker. I am admittedly going on anecdotal evidence. Maybe @OceanStWx has some insight onto the statistics of incoming shortwaves recently...if they've been stronger or weaker after being sampled.