Vice-Regent

22 hours ago, TimB84 said:

Not sure where this should go, but does anyone know of any official climate site in the US that had at least 6 months that averaged below normal temperatures in the same calendar year from 2011-2020?

You may be able to find something outside of the US with such a rare occurrence. There will be none in 2020-2030 as far as I am concerned.

11 hours ago, csnavywx said:

That TCR value is quite high. 2.6 is on the upper end of most curves, iirc.

2.4-2.6 is the range that comes to mind when you look at Paleo-climate. However the datasets are always contested and people opt for the other thing.

1 minute ago, Bhs1975 said:

Well one like a hive type like the Borg in STNG would be.

China is calling but nobody is answering.

4 minutes ago, nw baltimore wx said:

There’s a reason I use ignore.

Glad to hear that you got to Dogfish!

Hold we are not done yet. The Earth is about to put you on ignore so I would tread lightly. Civilization is a high risk low return game for the vast majority of humanity and future generations.

22 hours ago, nw baltimore wx said:

Whiskey is the official alcohol of covid vaccinations. 

19 minutes ago, North Balti Zen said:

fwiw, I got my second dose of Pfizer in late February and had no side effects at all. Not even the sore arm I had with my first shot. You don't have to assume you will have side effects. 

It doesn't matter but I won't torment you on this beautiful day. I would suggest keeping the vaccine talk out of banter. The mindset must be we need everyone on board but the damage is done dude. It doesn't matter the status quo is not coming back and COVID wasn't likely to kill anyone on this forum anyway.

From a purely selfish perspective there is no incentive and there is nobody out there worth dieing for and there is much more downside risk than can ever be justified.

I will make an exception for you if you were vaccinated due to travel or occupational reasons.

Between the oceanic heat burial and the aerosols this is how a disaster can sneak up on a civilization. At it's core civilization is fundamentally unsustainable anyway.

17 hours ago, H2O said:

I think that Pfizer shot messed with your head. Microchip made by cicadas

You are a strange one. I think the COVID shot will make you stranger.

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

But they are being penalized for the illegal animal trade with this pandemic (which was also mentioned in the documentary as the primary cause for it) and so have started to shut down those animal markets.

 

In my mind this is a subtle form of climate denial because believe it or not the climate changes will take these creatures out in the long-run. The best thing we can do is stop the bleeding and prevent the things we have control over.

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

we need to embargo the hell out of them until they stop the illegal animal trade and shut down their coal factories.  They are far more dangerous to the planet than Iran is, for example.

Shut down all trade with these nations and isolate them from the rest of the planet.

 

It will never happen as they produce the products that the American economy depends on and backtracking on offshoring would move the ecological costs of production back to the states. It is the main reason why they pulled out of all the stops to get Biden into the White House. Trump wanted to create an economy based on national autarky.

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

It's also mentioned that overconsumption tendencies of modern society need to be curbed so they agree with you.  African nations are doing their part by giving poachers life sentences in jail, the main problem right now is China and Indochina.

 

Good luck with that. This is starting to look like World War 2 all over again because the core causes of this war were never resolved in detail.

That brings us to another topic of the insane level of censorship and green-washing and the political circus that goes on in 2021 unrivaled in modern times. As civilizations collapse they become increasingly more inefficient and unstable.

57 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Big in terms of 25% of life currently on the planet expecting to go extinct by 2100.

The wet market trade and ridiculous usage of animals for religious purposes also needs to come to an end as well as deforestation.

It's all meaningless because it was going to happen anyway from AGW but you have a point regarding the fact that you cannot have these activities without carbon overshoot. Remove either one and the problem is solved.

I know my stance on this issue is unpopular. I have become increasingly more Luddite-esque as the world pushes the futurist narrative but there is only one sure fire way to end over-exploitation of the land-base which is disrupt technology and technological slavery.

Bigger in relation to what and when? Not liking this language especially at the most critical juncture. This could be subtle greenwashing by PBS.

47 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Cali was unbelievable. My trip was one of the best things I've ever done. Fiancee and I did over 10,000 miles.

In CA, we did the Redwood forests in far northern CA, through wine country, to San Francisco and then east out of the state. I'd love to get to southern California someday. 

You will LOVE it. Aside from the landscapes and people, the weather is really fascinating too. 

I loved California but I was partial to Wyoming, Montana, Utah, and Colorado. Just spectacular. It's hard to go wrong out west. Like you said, really interesting places, people, and sites. I feel like North Dakota is underrated too. 

As for Cali--as beautiful as it was I did encounter something that made me want to pack up and leave. 

Too many references to global warming yet again that people don't see the interplay between activity restrictions and the end of civilization. I don't think packing up will help much since there's no where left to go.

Any sensible person would view COVID as a miracle in disquise and not a burden lowering their personal autonomy and freedom.

14 minutes ago, fujiwara79 said:

Having your reality politics affect your travel choices is just sad.  It's also unhealthy.  People should travel as much as possible and expand their horizons.

19 hours ago, skierinvermont said:

Depletion of rare earth metals by wind turbines is not a concern. Germany already generates most of its power from wind and solar and has dramatically reduced their emissions and environmental impact. The fact that Americans are still debating this shows the extent of misinformation here.

I suppose my argument derives from a personal ethical preference. I believe the autonomy of the human individual is decreasing. Don't confuse this with the right to pollute but rather the ability to live fulfilling lives.

Put simply everyone has a reason to leave civilization as we know it behind. A decrease in the standard of living for the vast majority of the world and an untenable resource consumption burden therefore the removal of the resource base for future generations.

The only people who will be holding on to the utopian fantasy in 20 years will be the fringe capitalists and related types social democratic governments and communism. Sadly in their departure from the world stage will leave destruction in their wake.

2 hours ago, skierinvermont said:

No idea where you get your figures from, but this is a lie and defies both common sense, economics, and reported figures.

A single wind turbine produces enough power to power 1500 households. And it will do that every year over the course of its lifespan. The idea that the cost of producing it is even 1% of the ultimate power generated is laughable.

Civilization is high maintenance. We need more sophisticated recycling of Rare Earth Materials. There are too many ways to go under and the timescales are too large.

Again even if it's possible in the short-term doesn't mean we should go for it because the benefits do not outweigh the risks on the supply/demand side and the ethical side.

4 minutes ago, Amped said:

Don't worry it will still delay air traffic at the DC airports.

Damage without the fringe benefits of snowfall. You guys ought to move out into nature and keep it simple.

11 minutes ago, mappy said:

I'm ready for the 60s/70s being advertised next week. screw snow, bring warmth and spring. 

2 hours ago, csnavywx said:

It's curious that the WSJ article has NO figures, NO sources and none of the statements from ERCOT itself, which backed up the 26/34GW figure I provided. I want numbers, hard pass on the projection.

I think it's accurate and when you account for total property loss to lives lost ratio it makes perfect sense. I think people are under-educated in the 'depopulation' mechanics of AGW.

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7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

We're already in the Anthrocene, where humanity is killing off all other species, besides the ones we farm or keep as pets.

 

Like the other portion of the Anthropocene where you know we are unable to keep doing those things.

These large-scale perturbations in the recent normals are a signal of increasing hysteresis in the system. In other words the end of the Holocene climate regime is close as we head towards a equable climate with little to none temperature difference between the tropics and polar region.

12 hours ago, skierinvermont said:

IF you could somehow keep the aerosols in the stratosphere it would eliminate the human health problem but not the global dimming problem.

I agree it would be a huge blunder and a crime against humanity and by association nature if this was ever attempted en masse.

Starvation is absent from the chart because of the pre-cautionary bias. Exposure to natural disasters is not how global warming will get you. It's in the effects on agriculture and the interactions with population dynamics. Also peak energy will make it more difficult to transport grains and resources.

Get real man. Renewables don't work period so let's look at scaling back not carrying down the fossil fuel road.