Who knows...maybe we're due for something decent in December. It's been a loooong time since there was anything really wintry in that month. I think 2013? Now, I'm not talking 2009 level HECS, but something like a "December 5th" moderate event to actually get us on the board and actually feel like the season. Just so we're not going through the month with a near torch, and by the time Christmas arrives we're hoping that 2+ weeks out ensemble forecasts for sometime in January, that some mythical fine pattern MIGHT show up. And I think we can do without a muggy, warm Christmas Eve (2015).