Scarlet Pimpernel

Agree...and good points again about the number of single-digit seasons in the DC area over time, with the mean being fluffed somewhat by the more extreme events. Here's a question, though maybe you implied this in your discussion here: How much of the "fewer marginal events" are due more to lower level BL temperatures above the surface? Or even upwards of 850mb? So maybe the surface would be OK for snow with good rates (33-35 degrees, say), but what would have previously been "cold enough" at, say, 925mb or a bit above is now "too warm" and you don't get as much snow (white rain, etc.). That all kind of fits in with the general warming climate I believe.

Some very good points. It almost makes me think if something like Commutageddon (Jan. 2011) would even work out as well or at all in the cities anymore, if it were to occur today. It was a marginal event, at least near the surface. That may not be the best example, as that was very dynamically driven with intense uplift and I believe the 850 temps crashed. So perhaps not quite fair. But you get the idea. It was like 33-35, there about, while it was snowing hard for like 5 hours. A perfect paste job. Right after the snow ended it started melting underneath (at least on roads), before everything froze later that night as temperatures finally dropped.

I would guess all or nearly all that falls between ~15Z-20Z, there about, before it hauls ass out of here. At least that is what appeared to be when precip would be frozen. ETA: I'm talking more in the metro areas, but I'd still think most of it falls for the N/W folks in that same time period as well.

Every word is 26+ letters and cannot be pronounced!! Oh, and the corgis may be getting nervous there too!!

Interesting...thanks for that! I've only heard lilt applied to Irish and brogue to Scottish. Didn't know "lilt" came from a style of singing like that. Either way...Scottish or Irish, brogue or lilt...the sheep are getting nervous!! I'm reminded of an Irish bar I had gone to in Atlanta, they had a regular there who came in to sing, etc., and he was really good. For one song that required "audience participation,", he said "if you're American you say 'more sex', if you're English you say 'more beer!' and if you're Scottish you say 'more sheep!'" LOL!!

<Scottish accent>Get 'yer accents right, laddie, and have another dram! Don't put that green beer piss down 'yer gullet!</Scottish accent> The Irish have a LILT, the Scots have a BROGUE! That said, I agree...don't care to be near an Irish pub or anything on that day either. Even when I was younger and though it would be cool to go, it was nearly impossible to get in anywhere anyhow, everything was packed to the gills.

LOL!! Yeah, the only forecast that's easy to make and be 100% correct about! The 18Z doesn't look overly different if you compare to the 06Z or even 00Z, at least in terms of what it shows for sensible weather. Obviously 12Z was a "better look." The trough axis looks kind of different each cycle, which I'm sure plays some role. As well as how rapidly the cold air comes in. It's a bit warmer at 18Z Saturday in this run, compared to the 12Z run. ETA: The low of interest is also more southwest of here at 12Z, and deeper, for what that is worth at this point.

Well, it's pretty clear that we'll have some blast of cold come in on Saturday. The key is, does the frontal wave develop "in time" for us or not? That low does blow up as it moves rapidly northeast. But we'd need it to be in a place that is still giving us precip when it does cool off. ETA: Best example offhand that I can think of is March 5, 2015. Which was probably about as perfect a scenario as you can get. Cold front moved through early in the morning with rain, there was a lull, and then the wave moved through dumping 6"+ snow on us in about 6 hours or so.

Looks like it is pushing the colder air in faster as well, at 850 hPa and the surface (between 12-18Z), and it looks colder at the surface by 18Z while there's still precip around it appears. In any event, it could end as a neat burst of snow as the cold blasts in.

Oh lawd!! I'd rather heard feral cats!! And then get a root canal.

It has looked sort of workable and not like some overly crazy solution we have to hope for (just a slightly crazy one!!). We've had the occasional event work before where enough of a wave forms along a front after it passes through, to give us enough moisture for decent snow. Even in Mach (I'm thinking of a couple of times in 2014 and 2015, though those were pretty exceptional). So yeah, if on Thursday things are looking pretty good, then maybe it's ON! I was in Ohio during the 1993 storm. In the Cleveland area and east we got about 10-12" with blizzard conditions and temperatures in the teens to low 20s. Areas in east-central and southeast Ohio got hit even harder. It was one of the rare Nor'Easter events that can actually affect the eastern part of Ohio! That's how big that storm was, such an amazing wide coverage. But for me, the triple-phaser that I most recall is the one in January 1978, that went right up through Ohio as it bombed out. Oh, and better be cautious! Looks like you sent up a couple of potential RR flares there, with the weenie talk!!

I'm not feeling great about Purdue in the Big 10 tournament (my alma mater). They had a good season and a 25-6 record but really stumbled at the end of the regular season in the kinds of games they'll need to win. I don't expect them to go far in that tourney but hopefully enough to land a 3-4 seed in the NCAAs. Then of course, who knows!

Agree. I don't care for drought either but can do without 4"+ rain in March in the hope of seeing a few wet flakes a time or two.

Seriously, 30 or 40+ snows in March and several in April, even up your way in north-central/northeast MD? Suppose it depends upon what one considers an actual snow event. I am a native of northeast Ohio, the climate is far more wintry there in March and even April. I can recall many events through March (average in KCLE is like 10") and in April (average there is like 2-3"). Including lake effect snows. Even considering all the somewhat more minor events in March in the time I lived there and beyond, it probably wasn't 30-40 total. And that's in an area where March can actually be considered a winter month most years. Maybe if one includes white rain and cartoppers but otherwise no. And I remember some big March snows to be sure... as well as in April.

Jobu approves!

Yeah the backend snow thing is...well, iffy. Unless you get something that develops on the end of the front and moves by (kind of how the GFS was showing the other day?). It has happened before...even in March. In particular off the top of my head, early March 2014 and 2015.

Is that in Celsius? You know, being European and all, metric, etc!! ETA: In all seriousness, that's some real cold coming in for sure.

LOL, go for it! Maybe it will be like the reverse of starting a event thread!!

That, and you can always tell a dogwood by its bark!

No doubt! Regardless of any snow chance, that's going to be quite a change when the front goes through. Ahhh, March!! Makes me think of an event in late March 1987 in northeast Ohio. It was like 75 degrees that last weekend. The next day they got 16" snow!! Perfect timing of a very strong front with a nice wave that propagated along it.

Make that 12-24 hours for the NAM!!

So yesterday I saw some crazy pickle flowers blooming...first ones of the season! (That's perhaps a bad subtle pun...daffodils --> daffy dills --> crazy pickles!)

Yeah...plus it's the NAM way out in range! Perhaps northern and western areas could possibly get more than snow TV. But even if I lived there, I'm not so sure I'd be overly excited about it (barring some significant change in the next day or so). Still, it will be quite a change from near 80 degrees today!

I lived in Atlanta for some years (while in grad school and after). Not being from "the South" originally myself, I never heard this expression before and didn't know quite what it meant. But knew it wasn't complimentary. I then learned it basically was the "Southern polite" way of saying "F-you" or calling someone a moron!! What a great, sarcastic phrase!! Reminiscent of how the British can insult you in a very polite manner, LOL! Another expression I heard from a friend of mine in the area, not sure if it's a "Southern" thing. But on a very hot, ugly humid day, he once said "It's hotter than two rats f**ing in a wool sock!" Which pretty well described it!

I saw some probability maps and there's a 90% chance of having a turkey >= 10 lbs.