LibertyBell

what would it take for that southern stream low to come north ;-)

I remember years ago burying myself in the New York Public Library and coming upon a "weather almanac" (I forgot its name) that didn't have snowfall records, but had temperature averages going back to the 1700s and 1800s. Curiously, February seemed to be the coldest month back then and the mean temp for both January and February was under 30 degrees! Then I came across the Pennsylvania Weather Book which mentioned that during the 1800s there were a couple of occasions when both NYC and Philly accumulated 100" of seasonal snowfall and had snow cover extending from Thanksgiving to St Paddy's Day!

we've let it go to waste many times before..... if we capitalized on every -NAO/-AO then NYC would average like 80 inches of snow a year lol. An east-based -NAO and/or a bad PAC make snow much less likely. I wish there were graphs that depicted exactly what type of neg NAO this would be.

we have a decent chance at 3"..... it seems like we get over 50" of rain every year now.

But Chris, does the departure even matter in this kind of a pattern? We've seen plenty of so-called "cold" months that were predominantly rainy.

it's even more active when a historic heatwave is ongoing. I almost get the same rush when it hits 100 degrees at the coast as I do when we have 20 inches of snow!

isn't it an el nino? I thought the Pac was supposed to be great during el nino's (maybe that's after December.)

Yeah I was thinking Syracuse too because it's a larger city. You will just have to give up tracking tropical storms and hurricanes in the summer and fall though unless you're willing to come back to the city for those seasons. The city's better during the warm season anyway.

they're both actually good- Syracuse is the city with the highest snowfall average and gets snow both from lake effect and coastal storms (see Syracuse totals from Dec 1991 and Mar 1993)! Caribou gets more snow from latitudinal storms, Maine has had a banner November. I'd probably put both cities on my shortlist.

the anomaly (whether positive or negative) really doesn't matter in this pattern, all we'll get is rain storms or snow changing to rain. I'd much rather have a milder pattern with actual snowstorms. It can be 30 degrees on the days it snows and 50 every other day for all I care. That's actually better for getting around and snow removal anyway.

coastal storms are quite exciting in coastal Maine, it best resembles the climate of Maritime Canada. You even get the occasional hurricane up there. Allergy levels are quite low too, especially around Caribou.

we seem to have returned to our normal pattern lol.

our new wetter climate has also increased allergies (especially mold and mildew) and raised humidity levels. It used to be only very strong el ninos that made our climate this wet, now it's everything!

what about in years when we have a broader trough (cold air all across the US, including both coasts.)

So it's true in fact, there are many many more bad patterns than there are good ones. Based on past winter experiences, I'd say the bad patterns outnumber good patterns for snow by something like 80% to 20%

looks like it's mixing with snow here also

we've had all sorts of amazing storms over the past decade and more, but they'll never be satisfied lol.

summer temps got less accurate after the asos was put in lol and wind too

Hi, do you also have snowfall data from the early and mid 1800s? 1826-1864 from Jamiaca N.Y...1865-1868- Central Park... years.................ave..........lowest........highest 1826-1835.......37.95"........28.78"........55.67" 1836-1845.......36.67"........32.13"........44.57" 1846-1855.......39.50"........30.08"........46.40" 1856-1865.......41.30"........31.08"........59.68" 1866-1869.......48.57"........38.26"........57.40" 4yr ave...

Yes thats what put it 3rd on my list, I have Jan 2016, Feb 2003 and Jan 1996 in that order. The second day of the storm was a bit of a disappointment.

Yes, I think this storm is being underplayed. 1-3 inches on top of wet roads can be hazardous, most accidents happen during and just after light snowfalls.

Our locals are going for 2-3 inches for the city and long island and 3-5 inches north and west of us, with accumulating snow between 5 AM and 2 PM

The weather sure isn't boring. I'm looking forward to the event on Wednesday.

Snow pack doesn't matter much for the heavily populated areas since it all gets dirty pretty quickly anyway. For the mountains it matters, and it seems like the mountains have been having a pretty good snowfall season. The ideal scenario is probably long duration snow cover for the mountains and transient snowfalls for the coast. If we get one 1-3 incher every week, those add up. The 6+ or even 12+ inchers can wait until January and February, we dont want to cripple traffic during peak holiday travel and shopping season lol. If we get 3x 1-3 inchers in December, a few more of them in January and February, plus two or three 6+ inchers in January and February and a few 1-3 inchers in March, that will get most of us to at or above average snowfall.

Average out the two and see what you get.