LibertyBell

3 minutes ago, BillT said:

that is why i suggested no need for further discussion you are missing every point made, the POINT of my post was climate change has been a constant throughout history....i was in no way comparing todays climate details with those from billions of years ago ONLY that both had CHANGE as a constant

then I would question the point you are making, what does what happened billions of years ago have to do with today?  The changes have been happening on much shorter timescales now and are artificially induced, vs billions of years ago when they were not.  It's also important to note that, then as now, these changes induced mass extinction events (we are in middle of the sixth mass extinction event currently- half of the species currently on the planet will cease to exist by the end of the century.)

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

It was mentioned in the NYC subforum I saved the graphs somewhere so I'll look for them.  Basically, we had 42 days of 75+ dew points at JFK this year, and the previous record was 24 haha...... and prior to the 80s there weren't even any days of 20 or more 75+ dew point days.  The previous record of 24 was from 1983 and we almost doubled that to 42, I thought that was pretty amazing.

Chris (Bluewave) posted the graphs originally so I hope he can post them in here also.

I am all for nuclear because that is the future after all, moreso than any other fuel source.  We just need to make sure the nuclear plants are up to date with safety standards.  The ones with the problems have typically been older ones and should have been decommissioned a long time ago.

Just now, BillT said:

sorry but the trends have been ongoing for billions of years.......no need for further discussion.....

billions of years ago the composition of the earth's atmosphere was completely different- it's like comparing earth to a different planet.

23 minutes ago, snowlover91 said:

I have no problem with alternative energies as long as they are effective, cost efficient and can be done in a way that’s better for the consumer and the environment. Nuclear power plants and fission are ways that can be very effective so long as they’re done correctly. Wind farms are still not a sustainable source, perhaps something to be used to reduce peak loads on other power supply methods but that’s about it since wind is so variable and inconsistent. 

Do you happen to have a link regarding the dew point for your area?

It was mentioned in the NYC subforum I saved the graphs somewhere so I'll look for them.  Basically, we had 42 days of 75+ dew points at JFK this year, and the previous record was 24 haha...... and prior to the 80s there weren't even any days of 20 or more 75+ dew point days.  The previous record of 24 was from 1983 and we almost doubled that to 42, I thought that was pretty amazing.

5 minutes ago, BillT said:

the climate is a statistical look at the PAST weather,it in no way causes any single event or pattern.....the weather causes changes in the climate stats, the climate causes no weather PERIOD.

no one implied it causes "weather" its a trend thats been going on since the 1980s and yes you can identify trends and changes in climate and those can be linked to long term changes in patterns of events.........its kind of head in assery thats held humanity back from progressive change that should have happened a long time ago... examples are the sharp rise in 3" precip events and increasing relative humidity levels.

5 minutes ago, Dino said:

Exciting - we started the winter off fantastically  - the December 2nd Storm looks VERY interesting.  The Arctic Oscillation index straight up plunges almost off the chart end of November and pops back up Dec -- looks extreme. 

Archembault event in early December!  Maybe around the 5th when we have gotten some of our huge snowstorms?  Based on that looks like it would be before that?  The weekend after the end of November?  Thanksgiving weekend- is that looking stormy too or more like cold and dry?

10 minutes ago, snowlover91 said:

Unprecedented means it’s never happened before. Even if you’re talking about recorded history, you would need to provide actual proof that it’s never happened before like this summer and I doubt you have any. Just typical extreme AGW alarmist talk. 

Just specifically talking about this area, the number of days with a dew point above 75 was double the previous record- I think that's pretty amazing.  There has also been a marked uptick in such days since the 1980s, but this year dwarfed the previous record.

6 minutes ago, snowlover91 said:

 

Electric cars aren’t necessarily cleaner. While they may produce less emissions themselves, what about all the waste from other sources like the lithium process, increased demand, and the companies that supply the electricity to recharge the car? Some studies indicate they are cleaner and others looking at all the other factors indicate they are even worse because of the other factors mentioned. Windmill farms are a waste of real valuable land, harmful to birds and other animals and produce no energy without wind. They are not a reliable source of energy on a daily basis. I have no issues with nuclear and fission powered plants but plenty out there oppose them. Getting past those groups isn’t easy. 

The windmill farms arent using land here though they are offshore and that makes them more efficient also because there is no land friction to reduce wind speeds.

I think that the holy grail of electric cars will be solar powered vehicles which will give the owner of the vehicle full control over the energy source (once we are able to store solar energy properly for usage on overcast days, etc.)

Nuclear fission is a good bridge to controllable fusion one day, much of the problems we've had with fission plants were with ones that were antiquated, if they were kept up to date with current standards then they would be much much safer.

3 minutes ago, snowlover91 said:

 

Which ones do you propose for supplying sustainable energy to cities, towns, businesss, etc? What do you propose cars, SUV’s and other vehicles switch to for solving the problem? 

Thats already being done slowly but surely, electric cars are becoming more and more common.  And besides renewable we have nuclear too, first fission and eventually controllable fusion.  At the latest it will be 2070, but more likely 2050, that we'll be completely done with fossil fuels.

Solar powered skyscrapers are in the plans of such visionaries as Sir Richard Branson and he has already constructed one in Colorado.  Those will be able to power cars and other vehicles also.  The Empire State Building will also go all solar in the next decade or so.

South of Long Island we're constructing a huge bank of windmill farms that will serve dual functions, not only will they harness the power of the wind but can also weaken the power of tropical cyclones before they make landfall.

1 minute ago, snowlover91 said:

Well you said it was unprecedented meaning it had never happened in the history of the world before. Maybe you should be more careful with the word choice you use for describing weather events. 

It's generally assumed that unprecedented means recorded history.  Millions/Billions of years ago the composition of the earth's atmosphere was different (thats why animals were much larger- there was much more oxygen)- its like comparing our climate now to that of a different planet.

6 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

The lowest AO reading on record for November is -5.896, which occurred on November 18, 1959.

Thanks Don, is this projected to be the lowest one since then? I dont remember anything this low from the 90s onward.

6 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

March 21st was the last so 238 days

well the April 2 event was 6 inches in many parts of the city and you can round KNYC to 6"

Just now, snowlover91 said:

Then move to Antarctica and you won't have to worry anymore about the heat and humidity, at least for a few years.

thats not practical, whats MUCH more practical is the movement to renewable fuels which are much better for the environment and lower pollution, not just climate change.

2 minutes ago, snowlover91 said:

People love to use that word who are AGW advocates. Unprecedented means something that has never happened before, ever. That's a pretty bold statement to make. Got any proof to back up your statement that it is unprecedented in the entire history (thousands, millions or billions of years) of the world for your region? I doubt you do.

of course the climate was different back then but it was unlivable for humanity and those changes occurred much more gradually because they were natural- and they were also followed by mass extinctions

8 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Strong blocking (AO forecast to drop to perhaps -4.000 or bellow), possible cold, and potential storminess. It's still far out, but the pattern could become quite exciting if the guidance is reasonably accurate.

wow would that low of an AO be a record for November?

4 hours ago, bluewave said:

Great stat from Josh Timlin. Check out how 1st and 3rd place occurred during the 2010's extreme snowfall period.

The last 1” or more of snow in Central Park fell on April 2. If an inch were to accumulate this Thursday, then 2018 would place 3rd for the least number of days between 1” snow events. Records go back to 1869 (149 years). pic.twitter.com/VrHRYLFWvU

There you have it. The 3rd shortest break between the end of one snow season and the start of the next in NYC. This includes 149 years of data back to 1869!pic.twitter.com/3YeuVTPi5F

5:15 AM - 16 Nov 2018

 

 

 

 

 

what about the shortest period between 6 inches events?  This must be the shortest.

Solar is awesome, I converted and never looked back.

2 hours ago, Save the itchy algae! said:

What do you call people that think what you said only works one way? Alarmists? Sycophants? Partoftheproblem?

its too late for any of that, decades of doing nothing bring you to the point where humanity's fate is sealed and later generations will look back and wonder why their ancestors were so dumb (they already are- from the current generation the number of people who said they'll work for the ancient and primitive fossil fuel industry is 17%), we've banned fracking in our state and are suing these companies while in other states these companies are suing people off their land to build dangerous and explosive pipelines and paying police to get them off their land.

On 11/15/2018 at 4:09 PM, BillT said:

since the climate is not a force and has never caused any weather event then NO weather event can be linked to climate change.....

its connected to weather patterns not individual weather events.

the high humidity around here this year was unprecedented and even with air conditioning I and many others suffered through a horrible summer

19 hours ago, etudiant said:

A very interesting paper, thank you for linking it. 

It suggests climate change is not the one way trip to hot and dry as Gov Brown had indicated while setting up water use restrictions during the drought that was ended in the 2016-17 winter.

That makes it much more difficult to forecast precipitation levels, a critical issue for California especially.

around here its a trip to hot and humid, I am sick from all these wet humid summers, this year I got sick multiple times and wasn't even able to breathe because the humidity and allergens were so bad.

4 hours ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

8.5 inches as of 8:45

This feels like a continuation of last March/April

I was just saying that to you in the other thread lol- might be the shortest gap between the last 6" snowfall at NYC (April 2 2018) and the first 6" snowfall at NYC (November 15 2018) in the next season.

1 hour ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Below is the average snowfall for NYC (Central Park) per month since January 2010.

Oct   Nov   Dec     Jan     Feb     Mar     April     May    Total
0.3   1.2    5.1     14.2     12.8    5.5     0.6       0.0     39.7    Jan 2010-Current

January and February have been carrying the load. The other months are all very near their 150 year average.

It feels like we were just talking about the early April last 6 inch snowfall and now we already have the first 6 inch snowfall of the season in mid November lol

1 hour ago, David-LI said:

Windy here north Nassau. Came to backyard to smoke a cig and a transformer nearby just blew up.

Edit: According to HRRR winds will pick up in the pre morning hours. Those isobars look very close. Wouldn't be surprised if I woke up without power.

it almost feels like waiting for the center of a tropical storm coming up here from the south

7 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

It's not the grass height.  I just wasn't trying hard enough.  Early in the season and I'm not in peak form yet.

You got some good work for your snow measuring muscles though, if this was later in the season you could have pushed the ruler in further down and gotten to double digits!