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On 9/13/2025 at 4:05 PM, donsutherland1 said:
Here are two relevant papers:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0310-1
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2025GL114882
But with higher evaporation rates would high and mid level clouds become more common, Don?
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7 minutes ago, Brewbeer said:
given the energy required, getting enough water off the planet by overcoming gravity to make a difference doesn't seem practical, but there is water in the solar system outside the orbit of Mars tied up most notably in comets and giant planets and their moons
That's a good point. Also, I wonder if there are practical ways of mining for water in the subsurface (for example below the moon's surface and under the martian surface.)
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On 9/13/2025 at 1:27 PM, GaWx said:
Storm Number Storm Name Typea Datesb
(UTC)Max.
Winds
(kt)Min.
Pressure
(mb)Accumulated
Cyclone
Energyc
(x104 kt2)Direct
DeathsdU.S.
Damagee
($million)Tropical
Cyclone
Report
Status1 Alberto TS 19 Jun–20 Jun 45 992 0.8 2 125 Final 2 Beryl MH 28 Jun–09 Jul 145 932 34.5 35 7,200 Final 3 Chris TS 30 Jun–01 Jul 40 1005 0.1 5 0 Final 4 Debby HU 03 Aug–08 Aug 70 979 4.9 12 2,500 Final 5 Ernesto HU 12 Aug–20 Aug 85 967 14.4 3 0 Final 6 Francine HU 09 Sep–12 Sep 90 972 4.8 0 1,300 Final 7 Gordon TS 11 Sep–17 Sep 40 1004 1.3 0 0 Final 8 Eight PTC 15 Sep–17 Sep 50 1004 0.0 Final 9 Helene MH 24 Sep–27 Sep 120 939 7.0 176 78,700 Final 10 Isaac HU 25 Sep–30 Sep 90 963 7.9 0 0 Final 11 Joyce TS 27 Sep–30 Sep 45 1001 1.7 0 0 Final 12 Kirk MH 29 Sep–07 Oct 130 928 23.7 0 0 Final 13 Leslie HU 02 Oct–12 Oct 90 970 16.1 0 0 Final 14 Milton MH 05 Oct–10 Oct 155 895 22.5 15 34,300 Final 15 Nadine TS 19 Oct–20 Oct 50 1002 0.7 7 0 Final 16 Oscar HU 19 Oct–22 Oct 75 984 4.5 8 0 Final 17 Patty TS 01 Nov–04 Nov 55 982 2.3 0 0 Final 18 Rafael MH 04 Nov–10 Nov 105 954 12.3 2 0 Final 19 Sara TS 14 Nov–18 Nov 45 997 2.0 9 0
Yep, very active JJ, BN AS, very active ON.There's that big gap I remember between July 9 and August 3 and again between August 20 and September 9.
August was crickets lol
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On 9/13/2025 at 1:59 PM, donsutherland1 said:
I've seen figures of about 75% should all the ice melt. That's not going to happen anytime soon. Even in the Mid-Pliocene, some ice was retained. An Eocene-type scenario would be a different ballgame.
Removing even a modest amount of water could disrupt the water cycle, reducing rock weathering (allowing even more CO2 to pile up in the atmosphere) and producing devastating to catastrophic ecosystem damage. Draining the water could also reduce the oceans' thermal inertia leading to faster warming at each level of CO2.
Finally, humanity is already engaged in a colossal geoengineering experiment in which it is pumping CO2 into the atmosphere at an order of magnitude or more above the rapid rise in CO2 that sparked the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. Given its reckless ongoing conduct in the face of now full knowledge of the consequences of its geoengineering initiative, my guess is that humanity would ignore potential risks in any new geoengineering effort, probably compounding the damage rather than mitigating it. After all, if they ignore the hazards of their current practices, why would any other geoengineering effort be different?
At different stages of the planet's evolution did we have a different amount of water on the planet Don?
If we are going to pursue space colonization, I don't really see any other way, but to bring water from Earth. There is not enough water anywhere else in our solar system (to my knowledge) to sustain a space colony. If it will help keep sea levels lower than what climate change will do, in a way we're killing two birds with one stone.
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7 hours ago, SACRUS said:
Records:
Highs:
EWR: 94 (1983)
NYC: 92 (1927)
LGA: 91 (1993)
JFK: 85 (2008)
Lows:
EWR: 47 (1975)
NYC: 44 (1873)
LGA: 49 (1975)
JFK: 45 (1975)
Historical:1747: Some historical accounts of a hurricane caused flooding on the Rappahannock River in Virginia. A slave ship was overturned, and several fatalities were reported.
1752 - A great hurricane produced a tide along the South Carolina coast which nearly inundated downtown Charleston. However, just before the tide reached the city, a shift in the wind caused the water level to drop five feet in ten minutes. (David Ludlum)
1910 - Rains of .27 inch on the 14th and .73 inch on the 15th were the earliest and heaviest of record for Fresno CA, which, along with much of California, experiences a ""rainy season"" in the winter. (The Weather Channel)
1916: St. Paul's earliest snow ever. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
1922: The noon wet bulb temperature of 79.3°F was the highest ever-recorded in Washington, DC until this date. (Ref. Washington Weather Records - KDCA)
1939 - The temperature at Detroit MI soared to 100 degrees to establish a record for September. (The Weather Channel)
1939" The temperature at Detroit MI soared to 100 °F to establish a record for September. (The Weather Channel)
(Ref. WxDoctor) (Ref. Many Additional Temperatures Listed On This Link)
1944: Boston, Massachusetts recorded its lowest September pressure of 28.62 inches of mercury from the "Great Atlantic Hurricane". (Ref. NOAA Boston Weather Events)1945: A hurricane entered the south Florida coast at Homestead, curving northward right up through the center of Florida, remaining over land, and exited near Jacksonville Beach with winds gusting to 170 mph. The following is from the Homestead Air Reserve Base. “On Sept. 15, 1945, three years to the day after the founding of the Homestead Army Air Field, a massive hurricane roared ashore, sending winds of up to 145 miles per hour tearing through the Air Field's buildings. Enlisted housing facilities, the nurses' dormitory, and the Base Exchange were all destroyed. The roof was ripped from what would later become building 741, the Big Hangar. The base laundry and fire station were both declared total losses. The few remaining aircraft were tossed about like leaves.”
1965: Heavy snow across parts of Wyoming from the 13th through the 15th was by far the heaviest for so early in the season, resulting in 23 inches in Rawlins and 20.7 inches in Lander. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
1975: Marilyn struck the Virgin Islands as a Category 3 Hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 115 mph and an estimated minimum central pressure of 952 millibars or 28.11 inches of mercury. The strongest, most damaging part of the storm passed directly over the island of St. Thomas. The island of Culebra reported an unofficial wind gust of 125 mph. Storm surge was generally 6 to 7 feet with an isolated 11.7 storm surge in St. Croix. 80% of the homes and business on St. Thomas were destroyed and 10,000 people were left homeless. 30% of the homes on St. John were destroyed and 60% were left roofless. Marilyn caused 8 deaths and $1.5 billion dollars in damage. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1977: Sioux Falls, SD residents received a rude awakening during the morning hours as thunderstorms rolled through the city. Over 2.5 inches of rain fell in the city in an hour and 15 minutes. The large amount of rain in a short period of time led to street flooding in some areas. Lightning strikes from the storms also started several fires. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1982 - A snowstorm over Wyoming produced 16.9 inches at Lander to esablish a 24 hour record for September for that location. (13th-15th) (The Weather Channel)
1987 - The first snow of the season was observed at the Winter Park ski resort in Colorado early in the day. Eight inches of snow was reported at the Summit of Mount Evans, along with wind gusts to 61 mph. Early morning thunderstorms in Texas produced up to six inches of rain in Real County. Two occupants of a car drowned, and the other six occupants were injured as it was swept into Camp Wood Creek, near the town of Leakey. Late afternoon and evening thunderstorms produced severe weather in central and northeastern Oklahoma. Wind gusts to 70 mph and golf ball size hail were reported around Oklahoma City OK. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)
1988 - Thunderstorms brought much needed rains to parts of the central U.S. Rainfall totals of 2.87 inches at Sioux City IA and 4.59 inches at Kansas City MO were records for the date. Up to eight inches of rain deluged the Kansas City area, nearly as much rain as was received the previous eight months. Hurricane Gilbert, meanwhile, slowly churned toward the U.S./Mexican border. (The National Weather Summary)
1989 - Showers and thunderstorms produced locally heavy rain in the Central Appalachians. Virgie VA received 2.60 inches of rain during the evening hours, and Bartlett TN was deluged with 2.75 inches in just ninety minutes. Heavy rain left five cars partially submerged in high water in a parking lot at Bulls Gap TN. Thunderstorms over central North Carolina drenched the Fayetteville area with four to eight inches of rain between 8 PM and midnight. Flash flooding, and a couple of dam breaks, claimed the lives of two persons, and caused ten million dollars damage. Hugo, churning over the waters of the Carribean, strengthened to the category of a very dangerous hurricane, packing winds of 150 mph. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)
1995: Hurricane Marilyn strikes Virgin Islands. It hit the U.S. Virgin Islands as a strong category 2 storm with top winds of 115 mph. The strongest, most damaging part of the storm passed directly over St. Thomas Island. It caused 8 deaths and $1.5 billion in damages. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
2004: (Sep. 13th-16th) Hurricane Ivan affected coastal AL/W FL Panhandle; landfall occurred near Gulf Shores, AL, early on 16th. A buoy just S of the AL coastal waters reported an incredible peak wave height of 52 feet today before breaking loose of its mooring.
(Ref. Weather Guide Calendar with Pheno2010: The largest hailstone in Kansas was found in southwest Wichita. It measured 7.75 inches in diameter.
2011: An EF0 Waterspout moved ashore in Ocean City, Maryland.
This is very weird, did the same hurricane return 20 years later Tony??
1975: Marilyn struck the Virgin Islands as a Category 3 Hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 115 mph and an estimated minimum central pressure of 952 millibars or 28.11 inches of mercury. The strongest, most damaging part of the storm passed directly over the island of St. Thomas. The island of Culebra reported an unofficial wind gust of 125 mph. Storm surge was generally 6 to 7 feet with an isolated 11.7 storm surge in St. Croix. 80% of the homes and business on St. Thomas were destroyed and 10,000 people were left homeless. 30% of the homes on St. John were destroyed and 60% were left roofless. Marilyn caused 8 deaths and $1.5 billion dollars in damage. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1995: Hurricane Marilyn strikes Virgin Islands. It hit the U.S. Virgin Islands as a strong category 2 storm with top winds of 115 mph. The strongest, most damaging part of the storm passed directly over St. Thomas Island. It caused 8 deaths and $1.5 billion in damages. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) -
6 hours ago, bluewave said:
The source region to our west has been record dry since August 1st.
nice low humidity, 1980s type weather is back
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3 hours ago, Sundog said:
This is the wettest Euro run yet for the coastal low. This is 6z:
why do we call this a coastal low instead of a noreaster?
any storm with NE winds should be referred to as a noreaster, I noticed the media is calling it a coastal low too.
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2 hours ago, bluewave said:
Quite a big departure spread this month. The cooler spots have a shot at finishing the month with a small cold departure. But the warmer stations like EWR, HPN, and ISP could finish with a small warm departure.
ISP….-1.2
HPN….-1.4
EWR…..-1.4
NYC…..-2.3
BDR……-2.5
LGA……-2.9
we should finish below normal here.
I don't know how Islip is so warm lol
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2 hours ago, bluewave said:
This year has been defined by the sharp cutoffs to the heavy rainfall. The aerial coverage from most events hasn’t been very good. So this allowed MPO to go up 13.00” this year on the precipitation over FWN.
Time Series Summary for SUSSEX AIRPORT, NJ
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.2025-09-15 20.02 17
Time Series Summary for Mount Pocono Area, PA (ThreadEx)
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 2025-09-15 33.40 1 wow it's been very wet in the Poconos!
today is my birthday so thanks for the YTD right to my birthday Chris!!
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On 9/14/2025 at 7:32 AM, bluewave said:
Even JFK has a shot at 85-90° next Friday as the models have a warm downslope flow now.
It could be the last very warm day of the season, I see my forecast as mid 80s. We have not been warmer than low 80s since the first half of August, it has nothing to do with the ocean as the flow has been NW most of that time and low humidity, good sky conditions.
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4 hours ago, snowman19 said:
If we do in fact end up below 100 ACE, I think we need to seriously reconsider the 3 main factors the majority of people use for tropical seasonal forecasts…..ENSO state, MDR SSTs and the overall AMO state
AMO state is flipping to negative and it's pretty clear now.
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9 hours ago, snowman19 said:
Soil moisture very low across the entire Northeast and Mid-Atlantic
all I can say this is MUCH better than the high humidity and flooding rainfalls we were getting year after year. It looks like the cyclic change back to a 1980s type pattern has finally happened.
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On 9/14/2025 at 7:33 AM, snowman19 said:
The time has come to admit that this is not going to be a hyperactive (ACE/named storms) Atlantic tropical season. The ship has sailed folks
so glad to return to a 1980s type of pattern
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3 hours ago, anthonymm said:
I'm not saying its gonna be a cold winter (I dont think it will). He was just asking whether or not a warm north pacific is consistent with a cold east coast winter (it obviously is).
it could be a cold and dry winter like last winter was.
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3 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:
Investments that would dramatically increase renewables beyond leaving things mainly to the private sector would yield large increases in supply. The cost argument isn't a strong defense. It exists only because the kind of approach to infrastructure that took place in building the nation's highways was not pursued.
Don, geoengineering is going to have to take place on a massive scale.
I see you mentioned the rising sea levels and what the result would be if all the polar ice caps and glaciers melted. The planet is 70% covered by water right now, how much more would be covered by water if all that ice turned liquid?
To be honest, we have way too much more water on this planet than we need, at some point, the only way to save our coastal cities will be to transport some of that water to space colonies in orbit and on the Moon and Mars (and wherever else we might colonize where water will most definitely be needed.) How quickly would we be able to do this (perhaps developing new technology like space elevators). This is obviously something that will take many decades to develop, perhaps not until 2100 and beyond.
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28 minutes ago, Seminole said:
It makes plausible sense.
Yes, otherwise we would be going into a 70s/80s type of inactive period right now.
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1 minute ago, GaWx said:
Hey Liberty,
2024 came in less active than, for example, the initial forecasts from CSU. But the season was still solidly above avg and it was a horrific season for the SE US:
2024 North Atlantic Summary Named Storms
(vs 1991-2020 Normal)Hurricanes
(vs 1991-2020 Normal)Major Hurricanes
(vs 1991-2020 Normal)Total ACE (x104 kt2)
(% Difference of 1991-2020 Normal)Total Direct
DeathsTotal U.S.
Damagee
($million)18 (+4) 11 (+4) 5 (+2) 161.5 (+32% ) 274 124,125 The intriguing thing about last year which is being repeated to a more extreme extent this year is the long period of inactivity when you expect things to be very active. It was the tropical equivalent of a book end season, with big activity early and later in the season. Do you have a monthly breakdown of tropical activity from last season, Larry? Thanks!
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4 hours ago, bluewave said:
MPO made it down to 41° at the end of August which was the coldest since 2000. But not really that cold prior to 2000. The drier conditions allowed them to make it to the 11th coldest reading for August.
The warmth back in June was more impressive. It was their first June 93° maximum temperature.
Time Series Summary for Mount Pocono Area, PA (ThreadEx) - Month of Aug top 10 lowest temperatures
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 1986 31 0 2 1965 32 0 - 1907 32 0 3 1987 33 4 - 1941 33 0 - 1940 33 0 4 1982 34 0 - 1976 34 0 - 1942 34 0 - 1923 34 0 - 1910 34 0 - 1908 34 0 - 1904 34 0 5 1979 35 0 - 1921 35 0 - 1916 35 0 6 1972 36 0 - 1971 36 0 - 1968 36 0 - 1934 36 0 - 1927 36 0 - 1912 36 0 - 1911 36 0 7 1992 37 4 - 1989 37 6 - 1988 37 5 - 1963 37 0 - 1947 37 0 - 1946 37 0 - 1922 37 0 - 1915 37 0 - 1909 37 0 - 1905 37 0 - 1903 37 0 8 1981 38 0 - 1977 38 0 - 1930 38 0 - 1924 38 0 - 1919 38 0 9 1969 39 0 - 1964 39 0 - 1949 39 0 - 1944 39 0 - 1935 39 0 - 1906 39 0 - 1902 39 0 10 2000 40 0 - 1974 40 0 - 1966 40 0 - 1962 40 0 - 1952 40 0 - 1950 40 0 - 1936 40 0 - 1929 40 0 - 1917 40 0 11 2025 41 0 - 1984 41 0 - 1983 41 0 - 1958 41 1 - 1957 41 0 - 1954 41 2
Time Series Summary for Mount Pocono Area, PA (ThreadEx) - Month of Jun warmest maximum temperatures
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 2025 93 0 2 1952 92 0 - 1933 92 0 - 1914 92 0 3 2011 91 0 - 1911 91 0 4 2012 90 0 - 1964 90 0 - 1957 90 3 - 1956 90 0 - 1953 90 0 - 1908 90 0 5 2021 89 0 - 2008 89 0 - 1944 89 0 - 1943 89 0 - 1934 89 0 - 1925 89 0 6 2024 88 0 - 2023 88 0 Chris is that 41 the season low to date for MPO?
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29 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:
Where in the world are you getting “lackluster or nonexistent tropical cyclone activity in the Atlantic” from the 2024 season? It was above average on every metric and featured some of the worst hurricane impacts we have ever seen. There were 5 MDR hurricanes and the Gulf was active as well. Sorry, I will not agree with you on this.
You have to look at specific periods like the near the peak of the season. The active period was early and late, but tropical activity was nonexistent at the time it was supposed to be busiest. We had a complete shut out of all rainfall here in October.
We had the same Saharan Air Layer / dry air intrusion into the tropics, and it's only become even more extreme this year. All the forecasts for a historically busy season completely busted and we ended up with an average season.
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16 hours ago, RaleighNC said:
Honest question - increasing SSTs would seem to make an AMO Inactive period more active than it otherwise would be, wouldn't it?
I've been talking about this return to an AMO- since last year lol.
Both hotter extremes and colder extremes and drier weather-- I LIKE!!
Are you switching around to my view that we are now headed directly into an -AMO even if it doesn't show it on indices?
Two years in a row with drier summers and falls and lackluster or nonexistent tropical cyclone activity in the Atlantic. I think we might be headed to another dry and coldish winter, just like last winter too.
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15 hours ago, GaWx said:
And many on you tube and elsewhere are calling for a cold E US winter? Does that jibe with the warmest N Pacific on record?
Both hotter extremes and colder extremes and drier weather-- I LIKE!!
Are you switching around to my view that we are now headed directly into an -AMO even if it doesn't show it on indices?
Two years in a row with drier summers and falls and lackluster or nonexistent tropical cyclone activity in the Atlantic. I think we might be headed to another dry and coldish winter, just like last winter too.
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2 hours ago, bluewave said:
MPO made it down to 41° at the end of August which was the coldest since 2000. But not really that cold prior to 2000. The drier conditions allowed them to make it to the 11th coldest reading for August.
The warmth back in June was more impressive. It was their first June 93° maximum temperature.
Time Series Summary for Mount Pocono Area, PA (ThreadEx) - Month of Aug top 10 lowest temperatures
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 1986 31 0 2 1965 32 0 - 1907 32 0 3 1987 33 4 - 1941 33 0 - 1940 33 0 4 1982 34 0 - 1976 34 0 - 1942 34 0 - 1923 34 0 - 1910 34 0 - 1908 34 0 - 1904 34 0 5 1979 35 0 - 1921 35 0 - 1916 35 0 6 1972 36 0 - 1971 36 0 - 1968 36 0 - 1934 36 0 - 1927 36 0 - 1912 36 0 - 1911 36 0 7 1992 37 4 - 1989 37 6 - 1988 37 5 - 1963 37 0 - 1947 37 0 - 1946 37 0 - 1922 37 0 - 1915 37 0 - 1909 37 0 - 1905 37 0 - 1903 37 0 8 1981 38 0 - 1977 38 0 - 1930 38 0 - 1924 38 0 - 1919 38 0 9 1969 39 0 - 1964 39 0 - 1949 39 0 - 1944 39 0 - 1935 39 0 - 1906 39 0 - 1902 39 0 10 2000 40 0 - 1974 40 0 - 1966 40 0 - 1962 40 0 - 1952 40 0 - 1950 40 0 - 1936 40 0 - 1929 40 0 - 1917 40 0 11 2025 41 0 - 1984 41 0 - 1983 41 0 - 1958 41 1 - 1957 41 0 - 1954 41 2
Time Series Summary for Mount Pocono Area, PA (ThreadEx) - Month of Jun warmest maximum temperatures
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 2025 93 0 2 1952 92 0 - 1933 92 0 - 1914 92 0 3 2011 91 0 - 1911 91 0 4 2012 90 0 - 1964 90 0 - 1957 90 3 - 1956 90 0 - 1953 90 0 - 1908 90 0 5 2021 89 0 - 2008 89 0 - 1944 89 0 - 1943 89 0 - 1934 89 0 - 1925 89 0 6 2024 88 0 - 2023 88 0 Both hotter extremes and colder extremes and drier weather-- I LIKE!!
Are you switching around to my view that we are now headed directly into an -AMO even if it doesn't show it on indices?
Two years in a row with drier summers and falls and lackluster or nonexistent tropical cyclone activity in the Atlantic. I think we might be headed to another dry and coldish winter, just like last winter too.
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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:
Global energy demand is rising faster than renewables can scale. Population growth, economic development, and industrial expansion in emerging markets are driving electricity and fuel consumption to record highs. Although solar and wind power generation is growing at double-digit rates, they are adding to energy supply rather than displacing fossil fuels. Political headwinds ranging from a u-turn on climate policy in the United States and retreat from climate ambition in the European Union will likely prolong, if not increase, the excessive consumption of fossil fuels.
Unfortunately, at least for the near-term on account of an absence of political will, macroeconomic shocks such as those resulting from the 2008 financial crisis and 2020-21 COVID pandemic may be the only sources of reductions in fossil fuel burning and greenhouse gas emissions. All indications I have seen so far suggest that COP 30 in Brazil will be another farce. There will be empty words, but no binding commitments to even beginning a phase-out of fossil fuels, much less commitments with credible targets and an enforcement mechanism.
In sum, the world's leaders have committed to bringing the planet to a new climate epoch. That this will mean sacrificing parts of major cities to the seas or parts of Europe to a chill from the breakdown of the AMOC doesn't deter them. The most relevant question concerns whether they have chosen the Mid-Pliocene or the even hotter Eocene. With approximately 3°C warming likely by 2100 on the present course, the Mid-Pliocene might merely be a stop along the way of an longer journey into a hotter climate.
The arguments I see politicians making is we need an all energy source approach to control costs because most people are concerned about energy costs above all else. I saw this being mentioned in the NJ gubernatorial race. To be honest, Mikie Sherill is a very poor gubernatorial candidate and if this is the best the democrats can do, no wonder they have such low approval ratings. If I have to hear *navy helicopter pilot* one more time, I'm going to destroy my TV, she might as well be a network traffic helicopter pilot for all I care and for all it has anything to do with running a state.
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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:
The problem is that oil, gas and coal consumption continues to increase, alongside renewables. This persistent growth locks in higher greenhouse gas emissions, undermining climate targets and amplifying extreme weather, sea-level rise, and ecosystem risks. Science has been clear. Scientists have done their job. Human society, at least its political leaders, have decided to continue burn excessive amounts of coal, gas, and oil despite the known consequences of their choice.
From Statista:
From the IEA:
Global coal demand increased to a new all-time high in 2024 of around 8.8 billion tonnes, up 1.5% from 2023, as rising consumption in China, India, Indonesia and other emerging economies more than offset declines in advanced economies in Europe, North America and northeast Asia. However, several of those trends reversed in the first half of 2025 as demand declined in China and India; by contrast, coal use grew by around 10% in the United States. Even so, global coal demand is still set to increase slightly in 2025, followed by a marginal decline in 2026, bringing demand to just below 2024 levels.
the only real dip we had was in 2020 during the pandemic, when not coincidentally, air and water pollution also got much less.
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Definitely, plus either way we're cooked. With more clouds we have more insulation to retain heat at night with less clouds we have more sunlight to cook the earth during the day.