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52 minutes ago, bluewave said:
The heliport gets sea breezes off the NY Harbor. So it’s not really representative of the areas of NYC away from the shore. I would have them decommission the site by the castle since the park conservancy would never allow any of those trees to be cut down.
The one thing I learned over the years is that people love their trees. Back on the South Shore were I used to live there were big disputes which emerged when some trees were going to be removed from my community. Several trees were damaged and were at a risk of falling on some of the houses. I was glad to have them removed. But some residents tried to block the tree removal guys from doing their job. As several fallen weak trees caused property damage prior to the crews arrival.
So if NYC every tried to remove those trees around the ASOS, their would be a big protest. I would give the NYC mesonet the opportunity to pick a spot Central Park in a clearing to install a new site like below. So no trees would have to be disturbed.
Did we have less trees in the 40s, 50s and 60s when all those 100+ readings and 7+ day heatwaves were happening (as well as years like 1993 and 1999) or was there overgrowth because of the higher rainfall totals we have now? Maybe it's a combination of both? And more rainfall also means more water retention by the foliage which also makes for a slower temperature rise.
I agree we need to get the equipment out of that area.
We also need to remove some of these trees, I notice we have a lot of parasitic trees that really do not belong here. Tree of *Heaven* being a case in point.
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2 hours ago, coastalplainsnowman said:
Supposed to go to the Jersey Shore this coming week. Yesterday morning, forecasts had chance of rain under 5% for early in the week. "What could mess that up, so close to next week?", thought I. Wake up this morning to see the chance of rain is now over 70% each day. Of course! There's a ^$!#@&* tropical depression that's threatening to wreck my plans. Credible! Believeable!
Yeah thats why I said we might have days of rain starting Tuesday, now it looks like it might begin Monday =\
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19 hours ago, Wannabehippie said:
Different types of root systems on sycamores than oaks would be my guess on why the sycamores survived. Oaks I know have a lateral root system that are not deep. You cut one of those main lateral roots, and you have weakened that entire side. Add in soaking rains, softening the soil, the winds, and you get trees falling like they did in the picture.
Thats how the roof at my other property was destroyed by falling oak trees, they don't have a deep root system and are vulnerable to microbursts and other strong wind events.
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23 hours ago, bluewave said:
Yeah, unusually cool and wet July 4th following the snowiest winter of the 1970s.
Climatological Data for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY - July 1978
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1978-07-01 78 58 68.0 -5.5 0 3 0.00 0.0 0 1978-07-02 73 55 64.0 -9.7 1 0 0.00 0.0 0 1978-07-03 70 60 65.0 -8.9 0 0 0.99 0.0 0 1978-07-04 61 56 58.5 -15.6 6 0 1.56 0.0 0
Climatological Data for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - July 1978
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1978-07-01 84 66 75.0 0.3 0 10 0.00 0.0 0 1978-07-02 78 57 67.5 -7.4 0 3 0.00 0.0 0 1978-07-03 71 60 65.5 -9.6 0 1 1.73 0.0 0 1978-07-04 65 60 62.5 -12.7 2 0 0.50 0.0 0 Snowfall Data for October 1, 1977 through April 30, 1978
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.NY PORT JERVIS COOP 70.5 NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 68.7 NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 68.0 CT DANBURY COOP 67.0 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 66.7 NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 65.2 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 64.9 NY MIDDLETOWN 2 COOP 64.7 CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP 64.1 NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 62.3 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 61.6 NJ CRANFORD COOP 60.7 CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP 60.2 NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 59.7 NY SCARSDALE COOP 59.6 NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 59.1 NJ GREENWOOD LAKE COOP 59.0 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 58.0 NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 57.5 NY YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W COOP 57.1 CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 56.0 NY MINEOLA COOP 55.8 NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 55.6 NY WALDEN 1 ESE COOP 54.2 CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 52.7 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 51.6 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 51.4 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 50.7 NJ MIDLAND PARK COOP 49.1 CT GROTON COOP 48.9 NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 48.5 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 48.3 NY SETAUKET STRONG COOP 46.5 NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 45.6 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 43.5 absolutely wild Chris.... and after the historic heatwave we had in July 1977.
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Just now, bluewave said:
A grassy clearing in Central Park like the Great Lawn is among of the warmest parts of Manhattan Island and NYC. It’s one of the few spots that gets full sun during the summer. As the midtown streets are often in the shade with the increase in the ultra tall skyscrapers. Plus Central Park has an unusual amount of exposed bedrock which really heats up. This is why Central Park would often have similar temperatures as Newark and sometimes warmer during the summer from the 1930s to around 1980.
This is why I advocate for the heliport (KJRB peaked at 105 in June). Besides the heliport, we can use rooftop stations. They would definitely be hotter than the shaded areas you speak of.
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22 hours ago, bluewave said:
With the exception of June, this is why our heatwaves are weaker and do not last as long as they did in the 90s and the decades before then.
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10 hours ago, SACRUS said:
Highs:
EWR: 87
JFK: 87
ACY: 86
TEB: 85
PHL: 85
New Brnswck: 84
LGA: 84
BLM: 83
ISP: 83
NYC: 83
TTN: 82nice, EWR and JFK hotter than everyone else and also low humidity and deep blue skies....
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2 hours ago, SACRUS said:
Records:
Highs:
EWR: 103 (1999)
NYC: 101 (1999)
LGA: 100 (1999)
JFK: 102 (1999)
New Brnswck: 100 (1999)
Lows:
EWR: 54 (1979)
NYC: 53 (1979)
LGA: 56 (1979)
JFK: 56 (1979)
New Brnswck: 47 (1909)
Historical:
1643: A violent windstorm hit the Plymouth Colony. The "sudden gust" downed trees and killed one Native American. This may have been the first documented American tornado or microburst. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1816: In parts of New England and the Middle Atlantic, crop damage was severe and fruit trees were killed. In PA ice was found the thickness of window glass. In Savannah, Georgia the temperature dropped into the 40's on July 4th. (p. 33 Washington Weather Book 2002 by Ambrose, Henry, Weiss)
1882: A trace of snow was observed at Newton, NJ and other locations in the northeast. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)1891 - Sixteen horses were killed by hail, and many more have to be put to death due to injuries from a hailstorm at Rapid City, SD. (The Weather Channel)
1900 - A spectacular three day fire began when a bolt of lightning struck a refinery in Bayonne NJ. (David Ludlum)
1905: Washington Weather Bureau Office had 2.77 inches rain in one hour, 3.33 inches in two hours and 4.01 inches in 12 hours. The storm total was 4.64 inches in Baltimore, MD (Ref. Washington Weather Records - KDCA)
1916 - A hurricane produced 82 mph winds, an 11.6 foot tide, and a barometric pressure of 28.92 inches at Mobile, AL. (David Ludlum)
1936: South Dakota recorded its hottest temperature ever with a reading of 120° at Gannvalley. This same day Sioux Falls reached 109°, their second hottest temperature on record. Three of the 4 hottest days on record in Sioux Falls occurred during the Dust Bowl summer of 1936. (Ref. Lowest and Highest Temperatures for the 50 States)
1937 - The temperature at Medicine Lake, MT, soared to 117 degrees to establish a state record. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)
1937 - Midale and Yellow Grass in Saskatchewan hit 113 degrees to establish an all-time record high for Canada that same day. (The Weather Channel)
1967: Canadian high pressure continued to bring record lows to parts of the upper Midwest. Daily record lows included: Duluth, MN: 36°, Rochester, MN: 42°, Rockford, IL: 43°, Asheville, NC: 46°, Bristol, TN: 48°, Richmond, VA: 52°, Knoxville, TN: 54°, Wallops Island, VA: 56°, Charlotte, NC: 57 °F. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1970: The morning low at Death Valley, CA was 103 degrees and the high that afternoon was 120 degrees. (The Weather Channel)
1972: Temperatures fell to record lows in the upper 30s and lower 40s across the Great Lakes region. The 37° at Lansing, MI was their coldest July reading of the 20th century. Other daily records included: Alpena, MI: 37°, Casper, WY: 38°, Sioux Falls, SD: 39°, Ste. St. Marie, MI: 39°, Huron, SD: 40°, Madison, WI: 40°, North Platte, NE: 42°, Topeka, KS: 43 °F.(Ref. Additional Temperatures Listed On This Link)
1970 - The morning low at Death Valley CA was 103 degrees, and the high that afternoon was 120 degrees. (The Weather Channel)
1974: Connecticut--A line of thunderstorms moved southeastward across the state. Lightning caused two deaths, one at Brookfield in Fairfield County and one at Bloomfield in Harford County. New Jersey--A line of thunderstorms moved eastward across the state in the afternoon. One man in Trenton was killed by lightning. New York City--A thunderstorm passed northeastward across the south and central sections of the city. Lightning struck three girls in Central Park, killing one and injuring two. Wilmington, Del.--A mother was killed by lightning while standing on her porch. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)
1980: The “More Trees Down” started in western Iowa and tracked eastward affecting several states along its past before dissipating in eastern Virginia.1987 - Severe thunderstorms raked south central Kansas for the second morning in a row. Thunderstorm winds again gusted to 80 mph at Clearwater, and in the Wichita area reached 100 mph. Twenty-five persons were injured at a trailer park at El Dorado Lake. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)
1988 - Afternoon and evening thunderstorms spawned eleven tornadoes in Montana and three in North Dakota. Baseball size hail was reported at Shonkin, MT, and wind gusts to 85 mph were reported south of Fordville, ND. Twenty cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date, including Fargo ND with a reading of 106 degrees. Muskegon, MI, equalled their July record with a high of 95 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)
1989 - Moisture from what once was Tropical Storm Allison triggered thunderstorms over the Middle Atlantic Coast Region, which deluged Wilmington, DE, with a record 6.83 inches of rain in 24 hours, including 6.37 inches in just six hours. Up to ten inches of rain was reported at Claymont, northeast of Wilmington. July 1989 was thus the wettest month in seventy years for Wilmington, with a total of 12.63 inches of rain. Alamosa CO reported an all-time record high of 94 degrees, and Pierre, SD, hit 113 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)
1994: Thunderstorms, mainly packing high winds, erupted over north central Nebraska into south central South Dakota. As the storms moved east, 60 to 70 mph winds were common across the tri-state area. In Iowa, 65 mph winds were clocked in Monona County wrecking havoc with power lines. In Crawford County, 80 mph winds broke windows out of houses and caused some barn damage southwest of Charter Oak. Winds of 75 mph also swept into Sioux County causing significant damage to buildings on a farmstead near Hawarden. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1999: July 4th and 5th ........"The Boundary Waters-Canadian Derecho" States that were affected --- ....ND, MN, ON, QB, NH, VT, ME
(Ref. For More Information)
2001: International Falls, MN set a record low with 34°. 2.20 inches of rain fell in just 15 minutes at Pine Mountain, CA in Kern County.
(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
2003: Rockford, Illinois: An early morning band of severe thunderstorms blows across Northern Illinois with peak winds reported at 104 mph. Over 80,000 people are without power for various durations after the storm. (Ref. WxDoctor)
2004: For the second day in a row a derecho, a line of thunderstorms that produces widespread damaging winds, tracked from southeast Kansas into central Missouri across the Lake of the Ozarks region. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
2008: A streak of 26 consecutive days of 90°+ heat beginning on June 13th ended on this date at Denver, CO, shattering the previous record of 18 consecutive days established in 1874 & 1901. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)Mighty hot July 1999 just getting started on this date....
Records:
Highs:
EWR: 103 (1999)
NYC: 101 (1999)
LGA: 100 (1999)
JFK: 102 (1999)
New Brnswck: 100 (1999)This day ranks with the hottest days ever in our area, when all official reporting stations recorded record highs in the triple digits on the same date!
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1 hour ago, bluewave said:
This was the reason that the NWS didn’t like to substitute readings at LGA back in the 1970s when the NWS equipment was out of service. Before the tree growth issue in the 1970s, LGA ran cooler than NYC did. So the NWS recognized that an open area of Central Park in the middle of Manhattan was a warmer part of NYC for summer high temperatures than right on the bay in Northern Queens. Central Park is our one ASOS in or around NYC which is the furthest distance from the water and local cooling breezes. So my estimate is that the placement of the ASOS under the trees has resulted in nearly 10 fewer 90° days reaching annually then they would be getting if the equipment was sited the same way prior to the 1990s.
Annual 90° day counts for EWR, NYC and LGA during the 1961-1990 era prior to the ASOS being placed under the trees in the deep shade.
EWR…..23 days
NYC…..18 days
LGA…..14 days
Annual 90° day counts for EWR, NYC, and LGA during the most recent 15 year period of maximum tree growth and summer warming from 2010 to 2024. 12 out of the last 15 summers warmer to record warm across the region.
EWR…..33 days for a 43% increase over 1961-1990 averages
NYC…..19 days for only a 5% increase over 1961-1990 averages
LGA…..25 days for a 78% increase over 1961-1990 averages
The actual number of 90° days Central Park would be getting if the ASOS wasn’t under the trees would be around 28 a year. I arrived at this number by averaging the 43% increase at LGA and 78% at LGA. The average number was a 60% increase or 10 days more up to 28 days from 18 days. So the 5% increase from 1961-1990 should actually be 60%. So an annual undercount of 55% for 90° days if the ASOS was in a grassy clearing like the Great Lawn rather than beneath a densely wooded area of Central Park next to the castle.
When the devices at the castle are not functioning, the Weather Service substitutes readings from La Guardia Airport. But Mr. Gibson said those readings do not really reflect conditions in the city, because they may be several degrees cooler in summer or warmer in winter than those in Central Park.
If you go by decades rather than 30 year periods, our number of 90 degree days peaked during the 90s. You can run the numbers for all the locations you mentioned and also JFK. We had multiple historically hot summers during the 90s (91,93,95,99) and we have not had that kind of sustained heat since then (with the exception of 2010.)
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1 hour ago, bluewave said:
This was the reason that the NWS didn’t like to substitute readings at LGA back in the 1970s when the NWS equipment was out of service. Before the tree growth issue in the 1970s, LGA ran cooler than NYC did. So the NWS recognized that an open area of Central Park in the middle of Manhattan was a warmer part of NYC for summer high temperatures than right on the bay in Northern Queens. Central Park is our one ASOS in or around NYC which is the furthest distance from the water and local cooling breezes. So my estimate is that the placement of the ASOS under the trees has resulted in nearly 10 fewer 90° days reaching annually then they would be getting if the equipment was sited the same way prior to the 1990s.
Annual 90° day counts for EWR, NYC and LGA during the 1961-1990 era prior to the ASOS being placed under the trees in the deep shade.
EWR…..23 days
NYC…..18 days
LGA…..14 days
Annual 90° day counts for EWR, NYC, and LGA during the most recent 15 year period of maximum tree growth and summer warming from 2010 to 2024. 12 out of the last 15 summers warmer to record warm across the region.
EWR…..33 days for a 43% increase over 1961-1990 averages
NYC…..19 days for only a 5% increase over 1961-1990 averages
LGA…..25 days for a 78% increase over 1961-1990 averages
The actual number of 90° days Central Park would be getting if the ASOS wasn’t under the trees would be around 28 a year. I arrived at this number by averaging the 43% increase at LGA and 78% at LGA. The average number was a 60% increase or 10 days more up to 28 days from 18 days. So the 5% increase from 1961-1990 should actually be 60%. So an annual undercount of 55% for 90° days if the ASOS was in a grassy clearing like the Great Lawn rather than beneath a densely wooded area of Central Park next to the castle.
When the devices at the castle are not functioning, the Weather Service substitutes readings from La Guardia Airport. But Mr. Gibson said those readings do not really reflect conditions in the city, because they may be several degrees cooler in summer or warmer in winter than those in Central Park.
But we should have local cooling breezes because New York City exists on islands (besides The Bronx of course.) I just don't believe that a park could ever be representative of urban conditions and the equipment should NEVER have been in a park to begin with. We have a heliport in lower Manhattan, that's where it should be. LGA is also hotter than most of the area because of how densely packed that region is and its overnight lows are always elevated compared to both JFK and Central Park. For Manhattan urban area purposes the equipment in Central Park needs to be taken out of the park and relocated to the heliport.
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47 minutes ago, Sundog said:
All they have to do is chop back enough to where the shadows don't fall on the station post leaf out.
The station right now has basically no clearance around it:
I have no hope that it will ever have 100 feet of clear land around it, but at least cut back enough to where the shadows aren't all over the station.
Just get the equipment out of Central Park and the problem is solved. Government needs to step in since NWS won't do a thing.
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28 minutes ago, bluewave said:
This might be the days of rain I saw on the forecast yesterday. Sunday might be our last good day for awhile.
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16 hours ago, Roger Smith said:
If there was no calendar and every 31-day interval was equally valid, these would be the top 50 warmest "months" for NYC ... just counting the warmest instance in any given year unless in theory two non-overlapping 31 day intervals qualified, 1988 and 2002 were the only examples (otherwise, they do not quite make list, the second instance in 1931 ranks 51st) ... a number of secondary peaks more than halfway through these qualifying spells do not count for ranking separately, there needs to be total separation of the intervals for ranking ... you could rank more if you accepted two sets that don't include the actual peak ... it's pretty similar to the list of warmest calendar months but the averages are generally higher and it's interesting that no annual peak happens to coincide with a calendar month.
I list them by mean maximum to reduce the interference of the growing heat island, mean daily would be skewed more to recent examples.
Rank Year __ Interval (31d) _________ Mean max (F)
1. 1966 June 20 to July 20 ___________91.97
2. 1993 July 5 to Aug 4 ______________91.61
3. 1999 July 3 or 4 to Aug 2 or 3 ____ 90.94
4. 1955 July 8 to Aug 7 ______________ 90.90
5. 1944 July 22 to Aug 21 ___________ 90.84
6. 1980 July 14 to Aug 13 ____________ 90.71
t7. 1988A July 16 to Aug 15 ___________ 90.29
t7. 2010 June 27 to July 27 __________ 90.29 (or July 3 to Aug 2 was also 90.29)
9. 2005 July 15 to Aug 14 ___________ 89.87
10. 2011 July 4 to Aug 3 _____________ 89.84
11. 1983 July 11 to Aug 10 ____________ 89.71
12. 1952 June 24 to July 24 _________ 89.35
t13. 1977 July 13 to Aug 12 ___________ 89.29
t13. 1995 July 13 to Aug 12 ___________ 89.29
t15. 1876 June 23 to July 23 __________ 89.26
t15. 1991 June 24 to July 24 __________ 89.26
t15. 2006 July 11 to Aug 10 ____________89.26
18. 1949 July 13 to Aug 12 ____________ 89.13 __ a non-overlapping 31d interval June 11 to July 11 was 86.74
19. 1953 June 20 to July 20 __________ 88.90 __ non-overlapping 31d intervals Aug 8 (or 10) to Sep 7 (or 9) 87.00
20. 2002 Jul 20 or 22 to Aug 19 or 21_ 88.87 __ non-overlapping 31d interval June 20 or 21 to July 20 or 21 was 87.10
21. 2022 July 12 to Aug 11 ____________ 88.77 (also 87.19 Aug 2 to Sep 1, partial overlap, secondary peak)
22. 1943 July 11 to Aug 10 ____________ 88.42
23. 2012 Jun 27 or 28 to Jul 27 or 28_ 88.32
24. 2024 June 18 to July 18 __________ 88.23 (also 88.19 July 4 to Aug 3, partial overlap, secondary peak)
t25. 1979 July 11 to Aug 10_____________88.19
t25. 2015 July 19 to Aug 18____________88.19 (also 87.87 Aug 10 to Sep 9, partial overlap, secondary peak)
27. 1994 June 14 to July 14 ___________ 88.16 (also 87.94 July 5 to Aug 4, partial overlap, secondary peak)
28. 1957 July 4 to Aug 3 ______________ 88.10
29. 2016 July 16 to Aug 15 ____________ 88.06
30. 2013 June 23 to July 23 __________ 87.97
31. 1959 Aug 10 to Sep 9 _____________ 87.87
t32. 1938 July 25 to Aug 24 ___________87.74
t32. 1939 July 24 to Aug 23 __________ 87.74
34. 2020 July 2 to Aug 1 _____________ 87.68
t35. 1901 June 24 to July 24 __________ 87.61
t35. 1981 July 7 to Aug 6 ______________ 87.61
t35. 1987 July 9 to Aug 8 _____________ 87.61
38. 1872 June 18 to July 18 ___________ 87.55
t39. 1936 July 5 to Aug 4 ______________87.52
t39. 1988 B June 12 to July 12 _________87.52
t41. 1954 July 9 to Aug 8 _____________ 87.29
t41. 1970 July 23 to Aug 22 __________ 87.29
t41. 1982 July 6 to Aug 5 _____________ 87.29
44. 1968 July 12 to Aug 11 ___________ 87.23
45. 1930 July 11 to Aug 10 ____________ 87.19
t46. 1931 July 11 to Aug 10 _____________87.16
t46. 2019 July 2 to Aug 1 ______________ 87.16
t48. 2002 B Jun 20or21 to Jul 20or21 __87.10
t48. 2008 July 8 to Aug 7 _____________ 87.10
50. 1940 July 15 to Aug 14 ____________ 87.06
51. 1931 B Aug 8 to Sep 7 _____________ 87.00
52. 1937 July 10 to Aug 9 _____________ 86.97
t53. 1870. July 11 to Aug 10 ____________86.90
t53. 1934. June 21, 22 to July 21, 22___86.90
t55. 1900 June 25 to July 25 ___________86.84
t55. 1961 Aug 7 to Sep 6 _______________86.84
t55. 1973 Aug 5 to Sep 4 ______________ 86.84
58. (1949) June 11 to July 11 ___________ 86.74
59. 1918 July 15 to Aug 14 _____________ 86.71
t60. 1885 July 6 to Aug 5 ______________ 86.68
t60. 1971 June 16 to July 15 ____________ 86.68
(62. 1887 June 30 to July 30 _________ 86.65)
(63. 1997 June 19 to July 19 ___________ 86.61)
(64. 2001 July 31 to Aug 30 ___________ 86.58)
(65. 1974 July 2 to Aug 1 ______________ 86.55)
(66. 1896 July 15 to Aug 14 ___________ 86.48)
(67. 1932 July 10 to Aug 9 ____________ 86.48)
(68. 1990 July 18 to Aug 17 ___________ 86.42)
(t69. 1911 July 2 to Aug 1 _______________86.39)
(t69. 1917 July 13 or 16 to Aug 12, 15) __ 86.39)
(t69. 1969 Aug 3 to Sep 2 _____________ 86.39)
(t69. 2023 June 29 to July 29 ________ 86.39)
(73. 1963 July 13 to Aug 12 ___________ 86.35)
(t74. 1878 June 26 to July 26 __________86.32)
(t74. 1908 June 20 to July 20 _________ 86.32)
(76. 1941 July 10 to Aug 9 _____________86.29)
(77. 1972 July 10 to Aug 9 ____________ 86.23)
(78. 1935 July 5 to Aug 4 _____________ 86.19)
(79. 1933 July 6 to Aug 5 _____________ 86.10)
(80. 1921 July 2 to Aug 1 ______________ 86.03)
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As 1953, 1988, 2002 have two qualifying separate intervals, 63 are ranked for 60 leading years.
All near misses, some that had well known heat waves, are added in the 86-87 range.
This is basically the top half of the years, the worst three for lack of heat are 1869 (peak 79.29), 1889 (81.61) and 2000 (81.71), 4th was 1871 (81.81).
The usual suspects are in the top 20, the summers I always talk about lol. Question though, why are we using 31 not 30? A month is scientifically speaking, the amount of time it takes for the moon to revolve around the earth and that averages out to 30 days (it's really 29.53 but we can round that to 30.)
1. 1966 June 20 to July 20 ___________91.97
2. 1993 July 5 to Aug 4 ______________91.61
3. 1999 July 3 or 4 to Aug 2 or 3 ____ 90.94
4. 1955 July 8 to Aug 7 ______________ 90.90
5. 1944 July 22 to Aug 21 ___________ 90.84
6. 1980 July 14 to Aug 13 ____________ 90.71
t7. 1988A July 16 to Aug 15 ___________ 90.29
t7. 2010 June 27 to July 27 __________ 90.29 (or July 3 to Aug 2 was also 90.29)
9. 2005 July 15 to Aug 14 ___________ 89.87
10. 2011 July 4 to Aug 3 _____________ 89.84
11. 1983 July 11 to Aug 10 ____________ 89.71
12. 1952 June 24 to July 24 _________ 89.35
t13. 1977 July 13 to Aug 12 ___________ 89.29
t13. 1995 July 13 to Aug 12 ___________ 89.29
t15. 1876 June 23 to July 23 __________ 89.26
t15. 1991 June 24 to July 24 __________ 89.26
t15. 2006 July 11 to Aug 10 ____________89.26
18. 1949 July 13 to Aug 12 ____________ 89.13 __ a non-overlapping 31d interval June 11 to July 11 was 86.74
19. 1953 June 20 to July 20 __________ 88.90 __ non-overlapping 31d intervals Aug 8 (or 10) to Sep 7 (or 9) 87.00
20. 2002 Jul 20 or 22 to Aug 19 or 21_ 88.87 __ non-overlapping 31d interval June 20 or 21 to July 20 or 21 was 87.10
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Enjoy this great weather folks, looks like we get days of rain beginning next Tuesday?
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1 hour ago, bluewave said:
The 108° high in Mineola was in 2010. There wasn’t any data for July 2011. Then the station shut down right after that. July 4th, 1978 was the only year there with a high in the upper 50s.
Time Series Summary for MINEOLA, NY - Jan through Dec
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 2010 108 0 2 2001 105 32 3 1999 103 10 - 1966 103 0 4 1988 102 50 - 1975 102 1 - 1948 102 1 5 2002 101 0 - 1973 101 0 - 1968 101 0 - 1952 101 0 6 2006 100 1 - 1993 100 8 - 1991 100 0 - 1957 100 12 - 1955 100 3
High Temperature Data for July 4, 1978 through July 4, 1978
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.NY MINEOLA COOP 57 CT DANBURY COOP 59 NJ JERSEY CITY COOP 60 NY SCARSDALE COOP 60 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 61 NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 61 NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 61 CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 61 NY PORT JERVIS COOP 62 NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 62 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 62 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 62 NY VANDERBILT MUSEUM COOP 62 NY SETAUKET STRONG COOP 62 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 62 NY WEST POINT COOP 62 CT GROTON COOP 62 NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 62 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 63 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 63 NJ CRANFORD COOP 64 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 64 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 64 NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 64 How was it so cold in 1978? Raining all day? What was the low Chris?
I don't see the high at JFK in this list, was it 65+ there?
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1 hour ago, bluewave said:
The 108° high in Mineola was in 2010. There wasn’t any data for July 2011. Then the station shut down right after that. July 4th, 1978 was the only year there with a high in the upper 50s.
Time Series Summary for MINEOLA, NY - Jan through Dec
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.1 2010 108 0 2 2001 105 32 3 1999 103 10 - 1966 103 0 4 1988 102 50 - 1975 102 1 - 1948 102 1 5 2002 101 0 - 1973 101 0 - 1968 101 0 - 1952 101 0 6 2006 100 1 - 1993 100 8 - 1991 100 0 - 1957 100 12 - 1955 100 3
High Temperature Data for July 4, 1978 through July 4, 1978
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.NY MINEOLA COOP 57 CT DANBURY COOP 59 NJ JERSEY CITY COOP 60 NY SCARSDALE COOP 60 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 61 NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 61 NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 61 CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 61 NY PORT JERVIS COOP 62 NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 62 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 62 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 62 NY VANDERBILT MUSEUM COOP 62 NY SETAUKET STRONG COOP 62 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 62 NY WEST POINT COOP 62 CT GROTON COOP 62 NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 62 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 63 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 63 NJ CRANFORD COOP 64 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 64 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 64 NY PATCHOGUE 2 N COOP 64 Wow I wonder what they would have recorded on July 22, 2011....
In 2010 we maxed out in the low 100s here (three days).
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30 minutes ago, SACRUS said:
Records:
Highs:
EWR: 105 (1949)
NYC: 102 (1949)
LGA: 100 (1949)
JFK: 101 (2010)
New Brnswck: 100 (1966)
Lows:
EWR: 58 (1945)
NYC: 55 (1986)
LGA: 57 (1940)
JFK: 59 (2021)
New Brnswck: 47 (1986)
Historical:
1776: Thomas Jefferson paid for his first thermometer and signed the Declaration of Independence. According to his weather memorandum book, at 2 PM it was cloudy and 76 degrees. (David Ludlum) (Ref. WxDoctor)
1816: In Savannah, Georgia the temperature dropped into the 40's on July 4th. (p. 33 Washington Weather Book 2002 by Ambrose, Henry, Weiss) Chauncey Jerome of Plymouth, Conn. saw several men pitching quoits in the middle of the day with thick overcoats on, and the sun shining bright at the time. (Scientific American, "The Year without a Summer" p. 48)
1825 - A hurricane struck Long Island NY leveling trees and causing damage to ships. The early season hurricane, which originated around Cuba, caused major damage along the Atlantic coast from Charleston SC to New York City. Many were lost at sea. (David Ludlum)1825: A severe storm of tropical origin swept up the Atlantic Coast during the first week of June 1825 with reports of significant damage from Florida to New York City. Shipping logs told of a disturbance at Santo Domingo on May 28th and Cuba on June 1st. Gales were reported at St. Augustine, Florida on the 2nd. The Norfolk and Portsmouth Herald reported "undiminished violence" from the gale force winds for 27 hours, ending on June 4th. The effect of the storm reached well inland. Washington had cold, heavy rain all day on the 4th with high winds laying the crops in the vicinity. The wind also tore up trees by the roots in front of the State House in Philadelphia. This storm impacted the New Jersey Coast and the Long Island area as well with high winds and a two-foot storm surge. A Columbian frigate was driven ashore as were many smaller boats. The largest loss of life occurred along the Long Island shore when a schooner capsized. The entire crew of seven was lost.
1860 - Iowa's Commanche Tornado , with wind speeds estimated in excess of 300 mph, was unquestionably one of the worst experienced by early settlers, with nearly a million dollars damage. (The Weather Channel)
1874: Tornadoes hit the Baltimore, MD/Washington, DC area, causing minor damage, but a major tornado hit Lewistown, PA, killing eight people. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1876: Centennial Maximum temperature 95° in Washington, DC. (Ref. Washington Weather Records - KDCA)
1876: Severe thunderstorms hit the Midwest and a dam failed at Rock Dale, IA. The flood destroyed a railroad bridge and swept through the town. 42 people were killed. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)1877: A tornado of estimated F4 intensity touched down just west of Mt. Carmel, Illinois and moved east-northeast, devastating the town. 20 businesses and 100 homes were damaged or destroyed. At least 16 people and as many as 30 were killed, with 100 others injured.
1891: Sixteen horses were killed by hail, and many more had to be put to death due to injuries from a hailstorm at Rapid City, SD. (The Weather Channel)
1911: The northeastern U.S. experienced sweltering 100-degree heat. The temperature soared to 105 degrees at Vernon, VT and North Bridgton, ME, and to 106 degrees at Nashua, NH, to establish all-time records for those three states. North Bridgton, ME also had 105 °F on July 10, 2011. Afternoon highs of 104 at Boston, MA, 104 at Albany, NY, and 103 at Portland, ME, were all-time records for those three cities. Boston, MA recorded its highest temperature of 104 °F. (all time) (Ref. NOAA Boston Weather Events) (Ref. Lowest and Highest Temperatures for the 50 States) (The Weather Channel)
1919: Hottest 4th of July was 100° at Washington Weather Bureau Office. (Ref. Washington Weather Records)
1932: Washington, KS was struck by a huge F4 tornado. 5 people were killed. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1956: A world record for the most rain in one minute was set at Unionville, MD with a downpour of 1.23 inches. (The Weather Channel) (The National Severe Storms Forecast Center) (Ref. For More Information)
1967: Canadian high pressure behind a strong cold front brought record chill to the northern Plains. Record lows for July included: Decorah, IA: 41°, Elkader, IA: 46°, and Genoa, WI: 46°. Other daily record lows included: Bismarck, ND: 36°, International Falls, MN: 36°, Fargo. ND: 37°, Waterloo, IA: 43°, Rockford, IL: 46 °F. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1969: "The Ohio Fireworks Derecho" States that were affected, MI, OH, PA, WV Severe thunderstorms accompanied by wind gusts of 100 mph dumped heavy rains of 4 to 15 inches across parts of northern Ohio causing major flash flooding. 41 deaths, 359 injuries resulted and damage exceeded $66 million dollars. In southwest Lower Michigan, More than 60 people were injured, most of them from a tornado that hit Flat Rock in southern Wayne County. The tornado destroyed a tile factory, carrying sheet metal over a mile. Another tornado injured 11 people about four miles east of Jackson as it damaged a dozen mobile homes. (Ref. For More Information)
1972: Chilly Canadian high pressure brought record cold to parts of the northern Plains and Midwest. Jump River, WI dropped to 27° and Blair, WI fell to 36° setting a record for their coldest July temperature. Also, Jump River had the coldest temperature ever recorded in July for Wisconsin. (Ref. Additional Temperatures Listed On This Link)
1974: Memphis, Tenn.--Lightning struck three youths running across a playground; killed one, injured two. Waitwell, Tenn.--Lightning struck two youths who were playing in a wooded area; killed one, injured the other.(Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)
1977: "The Independence Day Derecho of 1977" States that were affected --- ND, MN, WI, MI, OH A severe thunderstorm produced vicious downburst winds of up to 135 mph across parts of northern Wisconsin. Damage was extensive in Price, Sawyer, and Oneida Counties with a downburst damage path of 166 miles long and up to 17 miles wide. One person was killed and 35 were injured. Total damage was $24 million dollars. A widespread severe weather outbreak hit Lower Michigan with tornadoes and downbursts. Two people were injured and almost a million dollars damage was done. A tornado injured one person and destroyed two mobile homes and one barn near Maple Ridge in Arenac County. Another person was inured by a tornado at Otisville in Genesee County as four mobile homes were destroyed there. (Ref. For More Information)
1978: A squall line developed in east central South Dakota during the late afternoon. Winds of 90 mph leveled a number of farm buildings in southern Beadle County although no one was injured. A tornado touched down in southern Minnehaha and northern Lincoln counties although the tornado did little damage. All told the squall lines' high winds and numerous tornadoes did $7.5 million dollars in damage. A violent F4 tornado moved slowly through Grant County in North Dakota. The tornado tracked 28 miles in about one hour. Five people were killed in the town of Elgin. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1980: Extremely humid weather was found across central Illinois. Springfield reported 11 consecutive hours with a dew point temperature of 80° or higher before a line of severe thunderstorms brought cooler air to the region. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)1982 - A four day storm began over New England which produced up to 14 inches of rain in southern Connecticut breaching twenty-three dams and breaking two others. Damage was estimated at more than 276 million dollars. (David Ludlum)
1987 - Early morning thunderstorms in south Texas produced 6.5 inches of rain at Hockheim, and five inches at Hallettsville, in just a few hours. Afternoon thunderstorms in Virginia deluged northern Halifax County with 5.5 inches of rain in two hours. Thunderstorms produced wind gusts to 76 mph at Dusty WA, and wind gusts to 88 mph at Swanquarter NC. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)
1988 - A dozen cities in the eastern U.S. reported record low temp- eratures for the date, including Atlantic City NJ with a reading of 40 degrees. Fifteen cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date, including Glasgow MT and Havre MT with readings of 102 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)
1989 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from the Southern Plains Region and the Lower Mississippi Valley to the Southern Atlantic Coast Region during the day and into the night. Just four tornadoes were reported, but there were 87 reports of large hail and damaging winds. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)
1994: Tropical Storm Alberto formed in the southeast Gulf of Mexico on July 1st and moved north at 10 mph. The center crossed the panhandle near Destin at 0900z on July 3rd. At landfall the minimum central pressure was 993 millibars (29.32 inches of mercury) with maximum sustained winds of 63 mph and gusts unofficially estimated at 86 mph. Alberto weakened to a depression before moving into southeast Alabama the evening of July 3rd, then meandered around east central Alabama and west central Georgia for 72 hours dropping rains that locally exceeded 20 inches in southwest Georgia. River flooding in Georgia and Alabama spread into the Florida panhandle on July 5th, and along with six to 14 inches of additional rain from the remnants of Alberto, caused extensive flooding. Flood crests exceed 100-year events on the Apalachicola and Chipola Rivers. Damage to buildings, roads, water systems and other public property was estimated at $40 million dollars. Insured losses to buildings and vehicles were estimated at $15 million dollars. Agricultural losses were estimated at $25 million dollars. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1995: 19 members of a single family were struck by a lightning bolt during a Fourth of July fireworks display in Visalia, NC. A bolt of lightning struck a construction crane, crossed wet ground and surged through a fence, affecting 70 people altogether. Fortunately, no one was killed or seriously injured. It is believed to be the most people ever struck by a single bolt of lightning. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
2001: A severe hailstorm struck Scottsbluff, NE producing hail up to 3 inches in diameter. About 12 people were injured with damage estimated at $50 million dollars. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
1995: 19 members of a single family were struck by a lightning bolt during a Fourth of July fireworks display in Visalia, NC. A bolt of lightning struck a construction crane, crossed wet ground and surged through a fence, affecting 70 people altogether. Fortunately, no one was killed or seriously injured. It is believed to be the most people ever struck by a single bolt of lightning. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)wow....
1988 - A dozen cities in the eastern U.S. reported record low temp- eratures for the date, including Atlantic City NJ with a reading of 40 degrees. Fifteen cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date, including Glasgow MT and Havre MT with readings of 102 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)
absolutely amazing considering how hot that summer became....
1911: The northeastern U.S. experienced sweltering 100-degree heat. The temperature soared to 105 degrees at Vernon, VT and North Bridgton, ME, and to 106 degrees at Nashua, NH, to establish all-time records for those three states. North Bridgton, ME also had 105 °F on July 10, 2011. Afternoon highs of 104 at Boston, MA, 104 at Albany, NY, and 103 at Portland, ME, were all-time records for those three cities. Boston, MA recorded its highest temperature of 104 °F. (all time) (Ref. NOAA Boston Weather Events) (Ref. Lowest and Highest Temperatures for the 50 States) (The Weather Channel)
over the top heat on July 4, 1911? These temperatures are absolutely nuts lol-- did NYC hit 100?
1825: A severe storm of tropical origin swept up the Atlantic Coast during the first week of June 1825 with reports of significant damage from Florida to New York City. Shipping logs told of a disturbance at Santo Domingo on May 28th and Cuba on June 1st. Gales were reported at St. Augustine, Florida on the 2nd. The Norfolk and Portsmouth Herald reported "undiminished violence" from the gale force winds for 27 hours, ending on June 4th. The effect of the storm reached well inland. Washington had cold, heavy rain all day on the 4th with high winds laying the crops in the vicinity. The wind also tore up trees by the roots in front of the State House in Philadelphia. This storm impacted the New Jersey Coast and the Long Island area as well with high winds and a two-foot storm surge. A Columbian frigate was driven ashore as were many smaller boats. The largest loss of life occurred along the Long Island shore when a schooner capsized. The entire crew of seven was lost.
wow a cat 1 when it hit Long Island on July 4th, do we have a track for this Tony??
1825 - A hurricane struck Long Island NY leveling trees and causing damage to ships. The early season hurricane, which originated around Cuba, caused major damage along the Atlantic coast from Charleston SC to New York City. Many were lost at sea. (David Ludlum)
Highs:
EWR: 105 (1949)
NYC: 102 (1949)
LGA: 100 (1949)
JFK: 101 (2010)
New Brnswck: 100 (1966)Extreme heat on July 4th in all the classically hot summers !!!!!
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32 minutes ago, bluewave said:
Maybe the ASOS back in 1966 wasn’t so close to the water at LGA. But not sure. The current location is right on the bay near the NW corner of the airport.
Data for July 3, 1966 through July 3, 1966
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 107 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 105 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 105 NY PORT JERVIS COOP 104 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 104 NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 104 NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 104 NJ ELIZABETH COOP 103 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 103 NY WEST POINT COOP 103 NY MINEOLA COOP 103 NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 102 NJ JERSEY CITY COOP 102 NY NEW YORK FLOYD BENNETT FIELD WBAN 102 NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 102 NY SCARSDALE COOP 102 NY BEDFORD HILLS COOP 102 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 101 NJ PATERSON COOP 101 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 101 NY STEWART FIELD WBAN 101 NY HEMPSTEAD GARDEN CITY COOP 101 CT NORWALK GAS PLANT COOP 101 CT DANBURY COOP 101 It's wild that many of these coops are still around Chris! But the one at Mineola isn't any longer is it (the one that recorded 108 in July 2011?) It would be interesting to see what they would have recorded in that June 2025 extreme heatwave.
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18 minutes ago, SACRUS said:
JFK 100 degree season leaders:
Year Rank Days >= 100 °F 2010 1 3 1966 1 3 2025 3 2 2011 3 2 1993 3 2 1983 3 2 1948 3 2 2013 8 1 1999 8 1 1972 8 1 1963 8 1 1957 8 1
JFK 98 Degree days leaders (i think i saw this asked a few pages ago, days ago)Year Rank Days >= 98 °F 2010 1 4 1983 1 4 1966 1 4 2011 4 3 1949 4 3 1948 4 3 2025 7 2 2019 7 2 2002 7 2 2001 7 2 1999 7 2 1993 7 2 1991 7 2 1978 7 2 1964 7 2 1963 7 2 1955 7 2 1952 7 2 Thanks we're one off the lead for 100+ and two off the lead for 98+
I think 1983 was the only one at JFK that had two different heatwaves get to 100+, one was in July and the other one was in August.
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26 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:
Yes. There was also August 26-28, 1948.
JFK hit 100+ on all three of those days Don? I thought it was 2 while it was 3 at NYC?
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8 hours ago, SACRUS said:
Highs:
EWR: 94
TEB: 92
ACY: 92
PHL: 92
LGA: 92
ISP: 90
New BrnswcK: 90
JFK: 90
TTN: 89
BLM: 89*
NYC: 88Was this adjusted later to 90 at JFK? We hit 92 here but I thought JFK fell just short at 89 Tony?
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15 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:
Today was another very warm day. High temperatures included:
Bridgeport: 90°
Islip: 90°
New York City-Central Park: 88°
New York City-JFK Airport: 89°
New York City-LaGuardia Airport: 92°
Newark: 94°Today was the third day this year that Bridgeport and Islip hit 90° or above while Central Park did not. That breaks the record of two such days that was set in 2006.
Parts of the region will experience a strong thunderstorm this evening. Afterward, generally warm weather will prevail through Saturday with readings mainly in the middle 80s.
It will turn hotter on Sunday and the heat could persist through Tuesday. Highs will top out in the upper 80s to around 90° in New York City. New Jersey's hot spots will likely reach the lower and perhaps middle 90s.
The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +1.0°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was 0.2°C for the week centered around June 18. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.47°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.03°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue through at least late summer.
The SOI was +13.30 today.
The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.923 today.
It hit 92 here -- I guess JFK gets the sea breeze before we do. What I want to know is how did Bridgeport hit 90, aren't they on a peninsula that extends into Long Island Sound?
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14 hours ago, TWCCraig said:
Nice sunshower here
we had a great triple rainbow!!!
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3 minutes ago, bluewave said:
Very difficult to know ahead of time when dealing with the sea breeze at JFK. Both stations in Ozone Park made it to 105° on the other side of the Belt Parkway. So JFK would have done it if the sea breeze could have held off for an hour or two more.
What confuses me about July 1966 is that usually JFK and LGA need the diametrically opposite wind directions to record their hottest temperatures, how did they both record their all time records on the same day? And Central Park did not?
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That's a great idea, if we have a mesonet location in the Park we can actually compare it to the *official* NWS ASOS.....and maybe some corrective factor can be applied to the ASOS (both for temperatures and wind speeds)?