LibertyBell

December should no longer be considered a winter month, it only is because of lazy "met winter"......winter should only be measured as two months long now, January and February

whats keeping us from getting all this nice weather, Don?

good I want my 70s! wont snow so lets get it hot

besides 1917 and 1976 all the coldest falls are from the 1800s? clearly UHI at play there

it was overrated because we had mediocre snow and February was warm

2015-16 all the way

no way, I want coastal storms, 76-77 was meaningless cold, only good for lake effect areas

if we had as little snow during the little ice age as we did in 76-77 no thanks, must have been boring back then

and huge heating bills

wait til we have SST again. There's this company developing SST based on renewable fuel and nuclear fusion based spacecraft are in the works to reduce the travel time to Mars in half.

2001-02 may not be such a bad analog if it continues being snowless across the CONUS. 10% snowcover is one of the lowest on record at this point and TWC is making a big deal about not naming a winter storm this year, the latest by far that's happened.

uhm it's bad for snow across the entire CONUS lol

It may not be such a bad analog if it continues being snowless across the CONUS. 10% snowcover is one of the lowest on record at this point and TWC is making a big deal about not naming a winter storm this year, the latest by far that's happened.

Humans get dumbed down money, without money these other creatures (whether animal or plant or fungi or something else, are far smarter.....in the ways that actually count.)

That doesn't seem a little harsh to you? I didn't see what would have warranted that. Also, I can see that being used as a counterpoint, sometimes you need to be outside the system to truly see what a sick and bad system it is. And money is the problem not the solution.

Don with all the warm anomalies out west is it possible that this winter could see coast to coast warmth with all the cold confined to Alaska?

arent second year la ninas usually really bad for us? its la ninas that come after el ninos that are really good and we are in the middle of the negative pdo cycle anyway

It seems as though there must be some sort of as yet proven 'Law of uncertain quotas' in complex systems that perturb reality. Just knowing about the propagation of fractal systems, seems there has to be. Almost like an 'emergence product function.' It would go like, 'for every 1 direct result of cause --> effect produced, there are 3 emergence: a secondary ... a subsequent tertiary ( meaning emergent because of the 2nd order ),' and on and so one. Such that if there are 2 direct ... the subsequent polynomial becomes complex really quickly as we add more direct consequence - that don't have to be laterally related, just existing as a result of the primary event. Nature actually works in this way, there are simple patterns in seemingly complex human behavior that mimics nature, it is part of group theory, where for example, the timings of bus drivers in Mexico matches the grouping of cells in the eyes of chickens. There is a well known formula that exists in nature and humans that maximizes efficiency.

I'm also wondering how many more variants we can get and will we make it to the end of the Greek alphabet and get to an Omega variant? If that happened it would be so scary....aside from what comes after Omega I had a thought in my head about how symbolic the letter Omega is. It could be "The One to end them all"..... a zombie virus (many think these are fiction but we actually see zombie parasites in the natural world, there is one that latches onto the brains of ants and makes them attack each other).....imagine if there was ever a human zombie virus like that and it ended up being the Omega variant? That would almost make it seem like reality is scripted like a movie lol, like everything is leading up to that eventual final climax. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326871#1.-Zombie-ants https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326871#2.-Zombie-spiders https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326871#3.-The-reanimated-virus This last one is especially interesting In 2014, researchers from the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique at Aix–Marseille Université in France dug a fascinating organism out of the Siberian permafrost: a so-called giant virus, about 30,000 years old, which they named Pithovirus sibericum. Giant viruses are called this way because, though still tiny, they are easily visible under the microscope. But there is something else that makes P. sibericum stand apart. It is a DNA virus that contains a large number of genes — as many as 500, to be precise. This is in stark contrast with other DNA viruses, such as the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which only contains about 12 genes in all. The size of giant viruses, as well as the fact that they contain such a large amount of DNA, can make them particularly dangerous, explain the researchers who discovered P. sibericum since they can stick around for an extremely long time. “Among known viruses, the giant viruses tend to be very tough, almost impossible to break open,” explain two of the virus’s discoverers, Jean-Michel Claverie and Chantal Abergel, in an interview for National Geographic. “Special environments such as deep ocean sediments and permafrost are very good preservers of microbes [and viruses] because they are cold, anoxic [oxygen-free], and […] dark,” they add. When “reanimated, P. sibericum only infected amoebas — archaic unicellular organisms — but happily not humans or other animals. Yet Claverie and Abergel warn that there may be similar giant viruses buried inside the permafrost that could prove dangerous to humans. Though they have remained safely contained so far, global heating and human action could cause them to resurface and come back to life, which might bring about unknown threats to health. “Mining and drilling mean […] digging through these ancient layers for the first time in millions of years. If ‘viable’ [viruses] are still there, this is a good recipe for disaster.” Jean-Michel Claverie and Chantal Abergel

Chris, haven't we been in the negative part of the PDO cycle for a few years now?

lmao I was just reading this on Twitter. Our replacements are finally here, John!

Right, it's very difficult not to have a 4" storm, but note that very few of those winters had 6" snowstorms and none of them had a 10" snowstorm. The same thing happened between 96-97 and 99-00

Or we could be back into an mid 80s to early 90s kind of pattern, which seems to be pretty stable and lasts for a decade lol

Is this what we had during the late 80s and early 90s that made those years suck so much? This same pattern that lasted for like 10 years lol?

and here we've gotten to 30-31 a few times but never any lower than that