LibertyBell

yeah and look at how Brooklyn, Queens and SW Nassau suck so bad and with a storm slightly to the east it shouldn't be like that.

the temps are immensely important too I'd like to see high/low splits for every post February event going back to say, 1950.

Yes Jan 2016, we got over 30 inches lol

Oh thanks I just noticed that! Actually the main reason I don't use it is because I always think of more to say later on so it's difficult to plan to multiquote when the original idea is to only quote one person lol.

Also there is no sign we are going to have anything as cold as any of the above that late in the season so even predicting a 4" event that late in the season is extremely foolish. 1982, 1996, 2003 and 2018 were all much colder to begin with.

I'm not even sure March/April 2018 qualifies as "deep winter" since if I remember correctly for NYC at least only the early April event was all snow. Deep winter usually means lots of snowcover that lasts for a long time and I don't recall that happening after February in my lifetime aside from the extremely anomalous April 1982 and March 1993 blizzards.

It's dumb to predict snow over a month out regardless of which month they're predicting for (especially so in the spring anyway.) I'm having this discussion in the monthly thread why it's unreasonable to assume urban areas can get a 10" snowstorm after February, when we haven't had one in decades. Honestly, going by historical data over the past few decades... a 4" snow event in early April is far more likely than a 10" snowstorm event for NYC after February. I can give you multiple examples of 4" snowstorms in April somewhere in the NYC area from the 1980s onwards but no 10" events after February. April 1982 (8-10") April 1996 (4"-JFK) April 2003 (4-8") April 2018 (4-6") 10.0" plus all snow snowstorms in that time period after February..... "crickets"

the NWS needs to have their own network apparently.

One of those measurements from March 2009 was mine and we definitely did have a foot of snow here but it was on March 1st and since February only has 28 days it sometimes makes me wonder if that should really be counted as a March event. It was all snow at least. The other one was not. One of the big problems with late season events is that as rates lessen, you get a mixture of precip, even if the temps are below freezing. You need a hard hitting multihour band of 2 inches per hour for like 6 hours to get a big snowstorm here in March and April. Also, I agree with people who said that the temps need to be in the 20s, we've had that for all of our big late season events....can't be around 32 or even just under.

Significant snow in April occurs at least once every decade, so it's not as big of a deal as you (or he) thinks.

Wow, nice, thanks! So this shows they are more common in December than March, which is what I expected since we've seen a few big December storms in the 15-20 inch range here but haven't seen a March storm like that in my lifetime. The 2 in April doesn't include the 9.6" measured at NYC in April 1982 does it? Funny thing-- EWR measured around 13" in that one lol. Temperature definitely wasn't a problem. That was my first ever clear snowstorm memory and to this day my favorite late season snowstorm ever! I'm shocked the January total is so close to December and so far away from February, I suspect in our new climate we'll see January catch up to February within a few decades.

I also know Athena because that was the first one named and was our earliest MECS ever (8.5 inches in the first week of November and right after Sandy!)

I regularly mix up 1 and 2....never 3, since that was the GOAT!

okay in my naming scheme that's Western Suffolk 3/2018

I have a proposal, name each storm by the local area that got jackpotted. so it's Central Suffolk 2/2013 Eastern Suffolk 1/2015 JFK 1/2016

Yeah but we do need naming of winter storms....it's too confusing when there's more than one big storm in a month and I have to refer to....oh, it was the second big storm in February 2010 (as an example.) They name all big impact storms in Europe, they need to do the same here. I say name all big storms or name none, no reason for TCs to get special treatment either. Base it off of how large the area is covered by winter storm warnings and/or the number of people under them.

Those were marginal though and we need controlled scientific methods for measuring snowfall and the only ones that count for those are NYC, JFK, LGA....as much as we disagree with their measuring techniques, we have to use official NWS reporting sites and those are the only ones.

If we could get an event like March 1993 with those kinds of temps and not changeover...then we would be in business! Even in April (see April 1982). We need temps to be several degrees below freezing to combat the sun angle and urbanization factors.

April had a nice snowstorm too, that was my favorite of that entire season.

Not just Manhattan, I would include western Long Island and the rest of the city too. Basically all heavily urbanized areas around here. I prefer December much more for our big snowstorms than March.

No it's not luck, it's urbanization being a huge factor. I've often seen areas south of us have higher totals in late season events.

I dont think "average" really explains the variety of our weather. We're in the 60s at least a few times almost every winter as far back as I can remember. Average is just a smoothing out of the extremes.

lol he's behaving like 60 degrees doesn't happen in February. We get 60 degrees almost every year in either or both December and February.

Uhm is he disputing the NWS? They specifically mentioned that there won't be record highs because records are in the middle and upper 60s and we're only going to be around 60.

worse than that he always disappears just prior to and during snowstorms.