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14 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Tonight looks like it will be colder especially in the areas that radiate well. 20s possible in the Pine Barrens at FOK as the big high moves over the area. So a freeze is possible in outlying areas. The CAA this morning had a bit of an easterly component which came in warmer than guidance. 

 

 

 

and also the clouds, which were pretty low here this morning.

Chris, what's the latest that we've seen 32 degrees at the park or city airports over the past 50 years or so? I'm curious about how we're seeing mid to upper 30s occurring later now than they used to, but our last freeze always seems to be in late March now.

With the clouds it never got lower than the low 40s last night.  Tonight should be the coldest night of the entire month though....

17 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

Haven’t seen a drop here…

the sun is coming back out here now.

11 minutes ago, Cfa said:

First rumbles of thunder for 2024. Light rain, heavy rain missing me to the west. I noticed the clouds starting to look pretty cumulonimbus about an hour ago and I thought I was wrong.

It was just well into the 70’s and now this.

we need the front to fully pass through and push this junk offshore completely

6 minutes ago, Cfa said:

First rumbles of thunder for 2024. Light rain, heavy rain missing me to the west. I noticed the clouds starting to look pretty cumulonimbus about an hour ago and I thought I was wrong.

It was just well into the 70’s and now this.

didn't we have thunderstorms last week? we had rain and then the sun came out....

I think it was two Saturdays ago?

14 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Tomatoes do very well in the heat, but I've found that peppers don't like it too hot. They often slow down during very hot periods in the summer. I usually get my best crop of peppers during the early fall when it has cooled off. 

I'm looking through my pictures to see what year my garden did the best, it turns out it was 1993.  But I was also using cow manure back then..... lol

2 minutes ago, MANDA said:

When you find some tomato and pepper plants that are drought resistant let me know.

The cold is more of  a problem than lack of rainfall for those-- we already have way too much rain.

I grow those myself-- peppers need hot weather to grow well.

3 minutes ago, MANDA said:

ok.  I will send away for some mail order cactus. 

I like the label "drought resistant"

16 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

I would think fear of flooding basements is a higher priority to planting vegetables for some?

Plus it's really hard to do anything with so much sogginess everywhere.  It also promotes dangerous bugs who spread disease (like mosquitoes and ticks.)

11 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

Not wanting dry weather for weeks or a drought doesn't mean we have to have the other extreme in flooding. We're just talking about a normal 1"/week

or 1 inch every 10 days which is good.

5 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

We are living in the climate statistics equivalent of baseball's steroid era. Like 40 home runs used to be a pretty big deal, then you suddenly enter an era where someone like Brady Anderson goes from averaging 20-25 homers to knocking 50 out of the park. And three different players are routinely hitting 60-70 a season.

and these players are not actually better than the players from the earlier era because everyone is hitting like that.  It's why normalizing this behavior isn't the right way to do things.

9 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

I would probably compare only to years before 2000 and toss all the recent years. So many months now don't even crack the top 10 warmest, that would have been like 4th or 5th warmest on record just 20 years ago. That means the same months that would have been highlighted on the NWS website as being incredibly warm just a couple decades ago now don't even get a second glance and, in fact, people think those months are relatively mild because they compare it to the fact that, for instance, 5 of the most recent 12 years have been warmer. And it's those recent 12 years that people remember and base their expectations on.

This happens all the time now. So many months look like no big deals, when they would have been considered very warm just a couple decades ago.

This is why the whole idea of "average" is just an illusion.

Another example is the extreme increase in rainfall and earlier last freezes since 2000.

I grew up in the 80s and 90s and I distinctly remember our last freeze was around April 10th and we used to average around 40 inches of rain a year.  But now our last "average" freeze is considered to be March 30th and our "average" rainfall is now 50 inches of rain a year? How is this even allowed to happen? We really should end climate norms with 2000 and anything that occurred since then should be compared to what happened before.  

Chris we notice this ourselves with snow too--- snow that has survived many thaw freeze cycles is much more difficult to melt than new snow, which melts much more quickly.  Older snow is much harder, denser and much more difficult to melt.

10 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

moderate shower here...

that was this morning now the sun is out

13 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

This might be an unusual post, but does it seem like there is a perception problem when it comes to climate? Like people just accept the change, and then suddenly use that as the benchmark for what's a normal climate for a region.

Like I feel that people think of Cleveland as this cold and snowy place, but the actual data would show over the last 10 years that the mean monthly and annual temperatures are on par with late 20th century northern/central Kentucky. Or Pittsburgh, where the mean annual and monthly temperature closely matches that of suburban Washington, D.C. metro or southern West Virginia, but inside the city, probably more on par with the lower elevations of eastern Tennessee or northwest Virginia.

blame 30 year normals for that

they should use the entire climate history of a region to make those calculations

4 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

imagine the power that could be generated if turbines were forced by tides... 

wouldn't have to worry about whether the wind is blowing or the sun is shining...  celestial mechanics --> tide cycle is always on, period.

Yes John!  I read that the tides have the power to provide energy for two earths, not just the one we have!

Gravitational energy-- there is no greater force in the entire universe!

It's the ultimate underdog story-- the weakest of the four fundamental forces built the entire universe!

Think about the possibilities of creating micro black holes and how much energy we could harvest from those!

8 minutes ago, MANDA said:

I'd just prefer not to spend hours a week walking around with a garden house and/or sprinkler.  Not to mention increasing my water bill.

Mother nature does it better and more effectively when she cooperates.

It was hard to do any gardening in most of April because everything was soggy and wet.  I wish we had our normal rainfall patterns of the 80s and 90s when we got like 1 inch of rain every 10 days or so-- this is my ideal.  No 2 inch or 3 inch rainstorms, just an inch of rain (preferably at night) maybe 3 times a month.

4 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

That second highs map to me for Tue says SE wind which keeps it cool east of the city. So it looks like there’ll be some kind of front around or strong onshore flow. Low 70s is still perfectly fine though if we get sun and avoid stratus from the onshore flow. 

Yes even sunny and 50s is fine lol

8 minutes ago, MANDA said:

I'm guessing you don't like to garden?

I do and rain prevents it from happening.  I use a garden hose for all my watering needs.

3 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said:

TWC was my childhood. I was a kid in its heyday. Honestly I probably credit it partially with my intense passion for earth science. 

It was between TWC and AM Weather on PBS/Ch21 here.  Before I had cable, I used to watch AM Weather during the 90s.

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

The late great John Hope

The GOAT!

3 minutes ago, MANDA said:

Pattern has switched to very dry.  No meaningful rain next 7-10 days at least.

Despite the blocking pattern warmth should out duel cool next few weeks.

 

Good, let it stay dry for many weeks.

9 minutes ago, bluewave said:

5-22-02 was their latest freeze.

 

Frost/Freeze Summary for WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Year	Last	Value	First	Value	Season Length
2002	05-22 (2002)	32	10-15 (2002)	31	145
2016	05-20 (2016)	32	10-11 (2016)	31	143
2008	05-20 (2008)	31	10-07 (2008)	31	139
2003	05-19 (2003)	32	10-03 (2003)	29	136
2023	05-18 (2023)	29	11-04 (2023)	32	169

wow in our warmest winter on record.... and even after that big heatwave in April!

9 hours ago, jm1220 said:

The heat index makes it feel just as bad if not worse on LI now with the southerly winds in the summer and regular 75+ dews. In Aug if anything the seabreeze just makes it feel worse here. 92F with a 76 dewpoint is 105 heat index, 96/71 is 104 heat index. So both in terms of actual heat are just as bad. The worst places in a heat wave now are probably the north shore of LI/much of NYC that still heat up before the seabreeze kicks in and still terrible humidity, and less chance of the T-storms that often fire inland and die before reaching the coast. 

Like Bluewave says though it's only a matter of time before we get a big heat dome here like the rest of the country's seen where we all likely get well over 100 and some places like EWR reach 110. 

Definitely-- I remember 2010 when we had 3 100+ degree days on the south shore but it was nice and dry and the heat really did not feel bad at all because it was so nice and dry!

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

The 18th was the 5th latest freeze on record for FOK.

Data for May 18, 2023 through May 18, 2023
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State	Name	Station Type	Lowest Min Temperature
NY	MONTGOMERY ORANGE COUNTY AP	WBAN	28
NY	PORT JERVIS	COOP	29
NY	WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP	WBAN	29
NY	CARMEL 4N	COOP	30
CT	MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNICIPAL AP	WBAN	30
NJ	CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR	COOP	31
CT	DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP	WBAN	31
CT	GUILFORD	COOP	31
NY	SHRUB OAK	COOP	33
CT	GROTON NEW LONDON AP	WBAN	33
NY	UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK	COOP	33
NY	BRIDGEHAMPTON	COOP	34
CT	NEW HAVEN TWEED AP	WBAN	34
NY	ST. JAMES	COOP	35
CT	NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT	COOP	35
NY	SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT	WBAN	35
NJ	CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP	WBAN	36
NY	WEST POINT	COOP	36
NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	37
NY	SYOSSET	COOP	37
NY	RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM	COOP	37
CT	IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT	WBAN	38
NY	ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP	WBAN	38
NY	WESTCHESTER CO AP	WBAN	39
NY	ORIENT POINT STATE PARK	COOP	39
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	40
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	COOP	40
NY	CENTERPORT	COOP	40
NY	FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP	WBAN	41
NY	JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	42
NY	MOLLOY CERCOM	COOP	42
NY	NY CITY CENTRAL PARK	WBAN	43
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	43
NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	44
NY	MONTAUK AIRPORT	WBAN	45
NY	LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	46

Thanks, Chris, what's their latest freeze on record-- May 31st I think?

and wow 42 degrees is VERY cold for JFK on May 18th!