Totally understand. Based off other posters here and Twitter (HM, Eric Webb), the PNA appears to be heading to a less than hostile set up past Jan 1 - 4 timeframe. If this kept getting kicked back to the point where it would be showing this transition past Jan 10 - 15. I'm not saying this is going to be Winter 2009 - 2010, but you can see on the GFS and the Canadian how the gulf opens up a bit and storms aren't ejecting out of Denver into the Great Lakes. We are at least standing a shot at some frozen.