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Just passed the 1,000,000 mark for cases in the US...mercy. What is that, a third of the world's cases? Mercy.

5 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

You can get a gallon in Frederick

 

http://www.mcclintockdistilling.com/

Oh wow--thanks for the link! Will certainly keep them in mind!

32 minutes ago, Jebman said:

I dont take a chance. It's already summer hot down here, but I wear the mask. I'd rather wear a hot mask for a while, then catch COVID then end up on one of those ventilators for weeks...............

I am carrying around a bottle of hand sanitizer too. Can't hurt to keep putting it on my hands when in public. Just think about how many people touch a fueling nozzle at the gas station. I sanitize my hands a LOT!!!!!!!! I'll happily gamble with my money about a year from now when COVID is gone. But I WON'T gamble with my LIFE!

*crazy breathing* WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT?? *pant pant*

1 hour ago, MJO812 said:

Numbers look down today 

Don't forget about the weekend lag and such...I'm not putting much stock in it myself.

5 hours ago, DCTeacherman said:

Another 2k+ deaths today, just extrapolating what the back side of the US curve might look like based on Italy, I can’t see how we’d end up averaging less than 1k per day for a good part or all of May.  Good chance we’ll be 80-90k by the end of May.  Really terrible but i don’t see how we just drop down super fast. 

I hope not, smh And dang...ya know it's bad when even on a weekend where the reported numbers are usually lower...still couldn't avoid 2k. Mercy...

36 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

I went to hike my favorite trail thinking I could socially distance. The trailhead is more packed than I’ve ever seen, worse than the Florida beaches. I noped out and am going to a quieter trail.

"Noped out"...lol Haven't heard that one!

2 minutes ago, snowfan said:

 

Man, see he done did? Don't know whether to laugh or just smh...

20 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

Despite what you hear at the coronavirus briefings... please do not inject disinfectant to cure the coronavirus. My lord.

Do we even wanna ask?...

21 minutes ago, SnowGolfBro said:

The point of those arguments is not necessarily to compare the number of deaths from viruses (flu deaths) or activities (car accident deaths). It’s to compare our tolerance to risk, specifically risk of death from our actions.  People engage in all kinds of risky behaviors.  Sometimes for thrills, sometimes to make a living and various other reasons.  In the case of Covid, because it is particularly deadly and brand new the appetite for risk is very low. That is completely understandable.  We are all dealing with the same reality.  On March 15 my fear level of Covid was high and i supported all of the measures that i now support repealing. Not because the reality of Covid has changed, but because I’ve had time to understand the virus and steps i can take to limit my risk, while continuing to live my life close to normal.  Others feel there is no safe way for society to continue until they have a better understanding of the virus and the risk associated with the virus.  No one is wrong in my opinion, we just have a different calculation of the risk in our minds.  

But are you also calculating the risk of others? See what I'm hearing in the argument you and some others presented is one of "well, I personally will be okay". But in a pandemic, that isn't the only factor here. You don't know who around you is vulnerable. Or who around you will be in contact with someone who is (and that infection "tree" can go on and on). 

That's why it's not just a "me" thing with pandemics.

1 hour ago, Chris78 said:

Yep. Not sure where he is getting those numbers but generally its 30 thousand or so deaths each year from the flu and thats from 10's of millions of actual cases yearly. 

Dont understand why some are pushing "it's just the flu" narrative. 

It's a cop-out, really...and it's an argument that is has lost credence by the day!

1 minute ago, wxtrix said:

that individual decision will cost collective lives. that’s why it isn’t going to work like that.

Just now, psuhoffman said:

If you think pandemic response policy should fall under individual and not collective action we will have to agree to disagree. But the preponderance of evidence and public opinion is not on your side with that belief. 

This and this. Pandemic response is a group effort--not an individual one!

16 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said:

States like Maryland that have active cases in the 10s of thousands probably will IMO.  States with lower numbers might feel like they have a little more latitude. 
 

ETA: of course we know that Florida, Texas, etc, ain’t gonn wait for nothin 

I automatically read that part in a southern accent...lol

2 minutes ago, SnowGolfBro said:

What is the SHOULD criteria in your opinion?

See above comment 

Just now, Wonderdog said:

What would be your criteria?

That the decrease in deaths, hospitalizations, cases would meet the criteria set forth in the federal guidelines for the various phases. If Fauci, Birx, and the rest of the team of experts put that together, I think it is a good model to follow.

1 minute ago, Wonderdog said:

Everyone is guessing. How much a reduction of deaths for each governor will prompt them to gradually begin to open things up is the question. 

It is all guessing when it comes to setting dates and timetables...which is why we have to follow the numbers as they come and not try to jump too far ahead too soon!

6 minutes ago, SnowGolfBro said:

Im a reasonable guy.  I know from my interactions with friends and family that they are fed up with the lockdowns.  They have lost jobs, savings and in some cases hope.  I would be okay if they put a restart date/plan out to the public even if that plan didn’t go into action until May 15 for example.  I’m not it in a terrible position.  I still have my job, albeit with a pay cut due to the virus, and my health.  I’m not pushing the desire to “open back up” for selfish reasons.  Not by a long shot.  It’s for my family and friends who are all suffering both financially and mentally.  

Can understand that. But the harsh reality is...when it comes to a timetable...there is a certain degree of this whole situation that we simply don't have any control over. We are already doing what we can to try and diminish the spread and get the numbers down. But right now that's all we can do...we cannot control exactly how fast cases finally start to go down and get to phase 1 status. 

The reality of the virus doesn't change just because the economy is hurting and we wanna turn the switch back on. It's a frustrating position to be in for so many people, no doubt! It's an awful position to be in! But we have to get to the point where, when we really start to open things up, we are not choosing the economy over human safety. It can't be...economy AND safety is what needs to happen. Safety has to be paramount...the safety piece is contingent on the numbers and when they start to fall at a consistent rate. 

It's a big difference between when we'd PREFER to open up and when we actually SHOULD...and unfortunately the SHOULD criteria hasn't been met yet, imo. Economy is gonna hurt, but opening too soon might end up adding on top of that hurt worse than it already is...

45 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

bar soap seems to be available. 

I shoulda said any liquid alternatives (I've long thought sharing a bar of soap would be worse...not sure how accurate that is, though!)

Man I'm so tired of the hand soap shortage...it, like hand sanitizer, is pretty much gold. any suggestions on alternatives? Have had to switch to using Palmolive antibacterial dish soap...but it's makin' my hands snow like 2010!!

14 minutes ago, jaydreb said:

The IMHE model has been updated and puts us at 145 deaths on May 15 FWIW.  

For real? Interesting...like, right now it's hard to imagine such a precipitous drop in just a month...I mean, it would he great, but how?

Just now, supernovasky said:

I've looked at the data. I do think backlogs have to do with it for sure (Sunday deaths end up pushed to Monday and Tuesday), probable is contributing some, but I think the biggest driver is that other places are experiencing peaks right now. Ohio is seeing a pretty strong uptick in hospitalizations and deaths. Pennsylvnaia, Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut are all getting slammed.

Dang...I mean it seems like with New Jersey has really been taking it on the nose with no real abatement, smh (and they got bad when NY did, didn't they?)

Ah! What happened?? Hadn't been on worldometer since earlier this afternoon and it felt like it was gonna be a decent day...then I look again just now...mercy.

17 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Flu outbreaks can be awful...

But we’ve lost about 45,000 Americans in about 7 weeks after taking unprecedented action to stop the spread. There’s no comparison at all. 

There’s no doubt in my mind this would be orders of magnitude worse if we proceeded business as usual. 

Yeah at this point I think we gotta put the flu comparison to bed...because again, when have we ever had a flu season take out 45k in just seven weeks?...

9 minutes ago, SnowGolfBro said:

Agreed.  I’m not saying we won’t get to 60000.  I honestly think by May 15 we will be under 100 deaths a day nationwide.

Wait...you think the national death toll for the entire country will decline to 100  much by then? But how...unless we see the new infections go down quite a bit between now and the end of the month, I don't know how we get there that fast.

35 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said:

I dunno, it would have to slow down really fast to not past 60,000. 

Yeah seriously...at the rate we're going even in a couple weeks we could be at 60k, smh

17 minutes ago, KamuSnow said:

NYC has a tornado warning, yikes.

For real??