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24 minutes ago, SeanInWayland said:

Speaking as someone who grew up there, and now lives in Boston, it's actually a pretty nice place. Unless you want to live in a really big city like NYC, it's got almost everything you would want in terms of culture and access.

And as for the snow, I always found that the area that got the least snow was NE of Albany, say between Hoosick Falls and Greenwich. They often got shadowed something fierce.

Hoosick Falls one of the worst snow spots around..sneaky awful. 

9 minutes ago, Zeppy said:

3" still snowing. Some of southern VT must be making out well.  11.8/10.9 doesn't seem like the -6 forecast will materialize.

Nice, where are you again in NH? Is it that lake band going through Rutland County? That EVT/NH border area is a total dead zone for radar.

1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

I was wondering if you or someone in SVT would get lit up.  Most models have a decent streamer at times even into tonight. Euro had a nice burst a bit north up in southern Rutland County.

Yea, some mesos have had that band right in Southern Rut County since yesterday and thats exactly where it is right now. Pretty nice modeling job nailing its location.

Decent downstream Ontario scraps causing some close to whiteout conditions little earlier..quick 1.5".  Might be it snow wise for a little while

27 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Been down this road before, but in short, the more snow you get the more the weight of it compacts upon itself. In LES areas like BUF you can get a 2 day event where the rates could be the same both days yet the depth doesn't change at all (or even drops) on day 2. Does that mean day 2 should go in as 0" for the day even though with clearing it was the same as day 1? That's an extreme example, but it's happened like that before out there. 6hrs has become the accepted clearing threshold that allows for some compaction yet doesn't overinflate it too much.

Not to derail the thread, but NWS tossed 2 potential 24hr VT state records from DEC 20 near me in SVT-Peru and Landgrove. They don't specify clears, but say "NWS guidines" not followed or something.

20210315-Vermont-24-Hour-Snowfall-Rejected (1).pdf

5 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said:

In a storm without much wind, the clearing method should be quite accurate.  But what happens in a storm with 30-40 MPH winds?  How accurate is it then?  Especially with powder.

Its almost impossible IMO. I never clear in any wind events, which I get from time to time here. And they are normally more on the dry side, so it just blows off the board.

1 minute ago, IowaStorm05 said:

I don’t fully understand the practice of “clearing” because to me it seeks to inflate or alter what is actually going on. What I mean is that…. Since we, as laymen, measure snow depth by how deep the snow is on the ground, it should be measured just as it ends up by the end of storm. The action of clearing is like half-way to the practice of measuring water content in the snow. The water content may vary but 2 inches is 2 inches. 
 

If it were me I just stick a fork in the snowpack and measure it’s depth. I can get an alternative true measurement by measuring the water content within. But since we measure snowfall by it’s accumulation as laymen and not it’s water content, might was well not bother clearing just because we know that by the time 20 inches has fallen as a snowpack, it’s gonna be compacted to a certain extent.

who am I to argue about procedures, but it’s how I understand it. 

Well, we have certainly had the clear vs no clear debate too many times to mention on here...lol.

3 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

If anybody has reports or Pics I’m all for it. I know 40” amounts happened and believe it for sure. Those pics were epic. 

I think most of those  DEC 20 40+" reports were just ruler in the ground reports, there really wasn't enough time for any clearing, it was all in like 9-10 hours. One clear would have been the max, if it was even done. Im not sure how much the total would have increased from that one clear anyway--maybe in the absolute max spot could have been near uppper 40s to 50".  No one had 50"+ on the ground, but pretty damn close.  There are pics of 42-44" OTG.  I measured 33-34" OTG a full 30 hours after it stopped in that prime zone just north of me, obviously it was pure fluff so it was settling quickly, showing it was certainly 40"+ OTG the day prior, but 50" probably a stretch.

31.4F with bareground and -FZDZ.  Awesome..

Paltry 2"-2.5" snowpack is now Swiss cheese with 40/39 and some fog this morning.  

Not that this is an epic pattern by any means, but these in-situ CAD/ wedge type patterns can at least be somewhat workable for Lakes Region into Maine. 

But man, total dog-poo for SVT, especially west of the spine. Even East slopes has been crap. 

4 hours ago, J.Spin said:

I was curious when I saw this because I didn’t actually know the annual snowfall for Truckee, but everything I’m seeing shows numbers in the 120”-200” range (perhaps the range is due to observations at different elevations).  Unless you’re specifically talking about cities with a certain population, or those that have a first order station or something (but you mentioned Mt. Washington), that’s pretty low.  A 200” total wouldn’t even be considered mid-tier annual snowfall at the local ski resorts around here, it would be low to mid-tier at best.  Some of the resorts out there like Kirkwood get up into the 400-500” range for annual snowfall, but not Truckee itself as far as I can see from the data.

Yea, I was trying to look at Truckee data too, maybe it seems more prolific because it comes in such huge amounts over relatively short time period? 

Edit: see they responded to that..more "general area"

It is pretty insane out there right now as we know..

Merry Xmas NNE weenies.

32.1F where ZR come to die---west slopes in SVT. 

4 minutes ago, bwt3650 said:

Where’s phin?  Suspended I assume?  How do we get him back?

He's back..he posted in other thread.

1 hour ago, mreaves said:

I don’t know if BTV would go along with it but I would trade the NY counties in their CWA for you guys. 

Lol, let's have PF put in a good word, he seems to be in tight with them.

22 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

BTV’s map of totals.  AWT with basically 4-8” state wide and low ratios.  Eastern slope in CVT with best on blocked SE flow.

Not that BTV should totally care about SVT since we're not in their zone, but more accurate depiction for down here from ALY.

2.9" on .55" precip.  Less precip than I thought, prob some downsloping here, along with warm nose equals sort of underperformer, little bit of a valley screw job. 

2 minutes ago, #NoPoles said:

Lol I realized the 2 was still in my post box from last night and it didn't change to 3. I was supposed to post around 3 inches. 

I dont have a ruler, I have an eyeball and a railing

Maybe some shadowing /downsloping for you and Alex keeping Accum down a bit?

This looks like a solid event for everyone that frequents this subforum except me..

Should have a nice sleet base though  mix line north of RUT now. I dont think anything showed it getting up that far.

1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said:

VT won this one 

Central and Northern. Mitch up to me kind of porked in SVT with the mid level warmth punching through. Been crappy growth for a good portion of the day too.  Maybe 2-3".  

Well see how it plays down here in the southern part of the state, warm nose has never, ever underperformed...death, taxes and mid level warmth going further north than modeled.  Feel like 3-4"  maybe more realistic.

52 minutes ago, jculligan said:

Last winter was such a dud I often forget about this one. We only got 6" on the northern fringe of the storm here, but what a whopper from southern VT up into the Lakes region! That stationary death band was one of the more extreme cases of mesoscale banding I've ever seen - it was almost like watching a lake effect band in my old stomping grounds of western New York. Danbury NH picked up 48" of snow, and then a week later it was completely gone...

Yea, be hard find a more intense band in a NE synoptic setup. Went from BGM up through NH. Like you mentioned it dropped 3-4 ft in pretty short  period of time.

And yes, that was a heck of grinch melt in rapid fashion..

And then you have Dec 16 2021....

Looking back at some pics from last Dec 16-17 storm, and was looking at time stamps from some pics I took.

So this one is about 5am..can see my car clearly and maybe 4-6" OTG?

This is 1137AM...car pretty much buried, prob 24-28" additional in 6 hours or so..lol.  

60.7F here today...honestly it felt great.