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lol you sound like me at least there are less planes flying over here late at night. it starts up around 5 am though

I also have them in my room. They are great .

I do too, it's better on Long Island. In Manhattan it might not be enough. I agree with you about smart city planning being ideal. From my previous post: The ideal solution (better than either traffic or mass transit) is to walk or bike ride. Maybe that's what PSV means? Make our cities more walkable and amenable to bike riding like they do in Europe? Their food is far healthier too (far less processed).

Brooklyn might be worse

this assumes that people aren't driving, unfortunately too many people drive through the city and the NO2 pollution from that makes asthma rates worse. The ideal solution (better than either traffic or mass transit) is to walk or bike ride. Maybe that's what PSV means? Make our cities more walkable and amenable to bike riding like they do in Europe? Their food is far healthier too (far less processed).

I have black out curtains out here. No problem

you'd need black out curtains not regular curtains. Even that sometimes isn't enough. There is a lawsuit against light pollution going on currently from an apartment complex in the city because the outside lights strobe right in through the windows and even wearing eyepatches isn't enough. Light pollution is highly wasteful and has not proven to help reduce crime at all, if anything it helps criminals see better in the dark

Traffic and environment wise yes, physical and mental health wise, no.

If most people who live in a city are not impacted, then who is impacted? I have planes flying over my head constantly and I'm 4 miles east of the airport, even places like Mineola get affected, it's a major quality of life issue. The local councilwoman is suing the FAA for jamming 13,000 flights in a month and flying planes 1000 feet lower because of newer tech. It's driving me crazy. You want to trade since noise isn't a real issue that doesn't affect most?

but asthma rates are the highest in big cities and that has been directly connected to why the the pandemic was so much worse in the parts of the city where the asthma rates are the highest. densely packed cities means more air pollution (mainly due to increased traffic)

It’s better from a traffic, air pollution perspective. Also proper urban planning is the best for the environment

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Is there?

There are studies that show the benefits of light and noise pollution? Or you mean living in a big city? I'd love to know what these positives are considering it's a completely artificial environment.

What the hell is going on in here? There’s actual weather to track and this is the discussion…

Densely packed cities are best for the environment. The light pollution argument is ridiculous. Most people have curtains and suburbs have street lights too. as for noise pollution that is a different story, but most people who live in the city are not impacted

Elevation is cheating yes.

For the coastal plain/piedmont that is true. At my location in extreme NW NC at 4000 feet, we have had many above normal snow years in warm winters. We average at least 45 inches and approximately 80 percent of that comes from upslope. We have never had a winter without at least 20 inches of snow here mostly due to the reliability of upslope even in total dud winters.

Nice steady rain...

you're right no point in arguing about something so obvious. please do tell us next that ultraprocessed food is fine too.

if it doesn't affect you of course you don't care. the attitude of the typical American

nope, it was a typo (a difference of two letters is a typo), take your asinine attitude elsewhere or you will be introduced to an avalanche of studies, here's another one https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp935

Yup. I'm dying in urban hell. Anyway, I'm done here.

I haven't seen one bad winter outlook yet for the east coast. Hopefully that holds.

the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of limiting both noise AND light pollution.