September 2025 OBS-Discussion centered NYC subforum

[LibertyBell]

8 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I'd rather die

Plus there's no regular train where I am, I'd have to get on the LIRR just to get to the subway. 

I've always wondered about that, why wasn't the subway ever extended to include all of Queens and Staten Island?

 

[gravitylover]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

I've always wondered about that, why wasn't the subway ever extended to include all of Queens and Staten Island?

 

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[LibertyBell]

9 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I'd rather die

Plus there's no regular train where I am, I'd have to get on the LIRR just to get to the subway. 

Most people aren't interested in being packed like sardines in a subway train.

It's why densely packed cities are antithetical to good environmental and health policies.

 

[Sundog]

16 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I've always wondered about that, why wasn't the subway ever extended to include all of Queens and Staten Island?

 

Very underpopulated for when they were building out the system. Pre 1950 there was still tons of farmland east of  Flushing Meadow Park. 

Majority homes were built in the 50s and 60s out here. 

 

[Sundog]

17 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Most people aren't interested in being packed like sardines in a subway train.

It's why densely packed cities are antithetical to good environmental and health policies.

 

It's actually bad for your mental and physical health to be stacked on top of eachother and have constant noise pollution, another major factor people always forget. 

[Sundog]

Models did a piss poor job initializing the rain in PA. 

[SACRUS]

 

 

81 / 67

[steve392]

Had a decent little cell pop up near me. 

Just hit 80 and it's even more humid feeling now. 

 

[Sundog]

@SnowDemon

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/noise-and-health

 

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

It's actually bad for your mental and physical health to be stacked on top of eachother and have constant noise pollution, another major factor people always forget. 

thats correct and light pollution too, a Harvard study proved it increases the risk of developing cancer 30-50% as much as an unhealthy diet does.  It's because light pollution blocks the release of melatonin

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, Sundog said:

@SnowDemon

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/noise-and-health

 

 

you can post the study on light pollution and cancer too.

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, Sundog said:

@SnowDemon

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/noise-and-health

 

 

oh nice both light and noise pollution studies are from Harvard lol

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

Very underpopulated for when they were building out the system. Pre 1950 there was still tons of farmland east of  Flushing Meadow Park. 

Majority homes were built in the 50s and 60s out here. 

 

it really should have stayed that way, I find the parks near Bayside absolutely gorgeous.

[SnowDemon]

23 minutes ago, Sundog said:

@SnowDemon

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/noise-and-health

 

 

The mental health aspect is totally dependent. I hate suburban life. And yeah, there is more to environmental impact than noise pollution.

[SnowDemon]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

thats correct and light pollution too, a Harvard study proved it increases the risk of developing cancer 30-50% as much as an unhealthy diet does.  It's because light pollution blocks the release of melanin.

And no, studies don't prove things. That's not how that works, lol. And regardless, I'm pretty sure you mean melatonin, and not melanin, lmao. Ok, I'm done talking science here.

[LibertyBell]

28 minutes ago, Sundog said:

@SnowDemon

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/noise-and-health

 

 

https://theconversation.com/harvard-study-strengthens-link-between-breast-cancer-risk-and-light-exposure-at-night-75171

 

It states breast cancer but the original Harvard study mentions endocrine cancers and also includes higher prostate cancer with higher levels of light pollution

 

A study from Harvard has found greater risk of breast cancer in women who live in neighborhoods that have higher levels of outdoor light during the night.

The findings are based on the Nurses’ Health Study (NHS), which has for decades been advancing our understanding of risks to women’s health.

For this study, epidemiologist Peter James and colleagues followed nurses in the NHS for breast cancer occurrence from 1989 to 2013. The home of each of 109,672 nurses was geocoded, and the average light level in the immediate neighborhood at night was estimated from satellite images taken by the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program. These estimates were updated over the 15-year follow-up period. By 2013, a total of 3,549 new cases of breast cancer had been diagnosed, about what’s expected among this number of women.

The study found a direct relationship between a woman’s neighborhood nighttime light level before diagnosis and her later risk of developing breast cancer: The higher the light level, the higher the risk. These findings held even when taking into account many other factors that may also affect risk such as age, number of children, weight, use of hormone medications and a long list of additional potential confounders.

Of importance if confirmed in more studies, the relationship was strongest in young women diagnosed before menopause. James also conducted many further subgroup analyses after the primary objective of the study had been verified; these subgroup findings may or not be seen in future studies. Two that stood out are that the association was confined to current and former smokers, and nurses with a history of night work.

The study is significant because it adds a strong piece of evidence to the growing body of studies supporting the idea that excessive electric light exposure at night increases a woman’s risk of breast cancer.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SnowDemon said:

And no, studies don't prove things. That's not how that works, lol. And regardless, I'm pretty sure you mean melatonin, and not melanin, lmao. Ok, I'm done talking science here.

yeah that was a typo on my part, and yes there is evidence on multiple levels that living in a densely packed area is awful for both mental AND physical health

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SnowDemon said:

And no, studies don't prove things. That's not how that works, lol. And regardless, I'm pretty sure you mean melatonin, and not melanin, lmao. Ok, I'm done talking science here.

you are a sample size of one, so no, you're not evidence of anything.

and we're not talking about suburban life either, there's way too much light and noise pollution in suburban environments too.

we're talking about living in an area devoid of wasteful night time lights and noise.

this is why cities like Flagstaff are shutting down their lights, there is no benefit to having street lights on at night pointing up at the sky. If you care or knew anything about science you'd know that already

 

[SnowDemon]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

yeah that was a typo on my part, and yes there is evidence on multiple levels that living in a densely packed area is awful for both mental AND physical health

And there are studies that show that there are benefits as well, but yeah, not getting into that here. Already off topic.

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, SnowDemon said:

The mental health aspect is totally dependent. I hate suburban life. And yeah, there is more to environmental impact than noise pollution.

my sympathy for you living in Brooklyn, I grew up there, you can't even see 20 stars from there at night.

[SnowDemon]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

you are a sample size of one, so no, you're not evidence of anything.

and we're not talking about suburban life either, there's way too much light and noise pollution in suburban environments too.

we're talking about living in an area devoid of wasteful night time lights and noise.

this is why cities like Flagstaff are shutting down their lights, there is no benefit to having street lights on at night pointing up at the sky. If you care or knew anything about science you'd know that already

 

Um, you mistook melanin for melatonin. Please. No point in arguing with you.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, SnowDemon said:

And there are studies that show that there are benefits as well, but yeah, not getting into that here. Already off topic.

the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of limiting both noise AND light pollution.

 

[SnowDemon]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

my sympathy for you living in Brooklyn, I grew up there, you can't even see 20 stars from there at night.

Yup. I'm dying in urban hell. Anyway, I'm done here.

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, SnowDemon said:

Um, you mistook melanin for melatonin. Please. No point in arguing with you.

nope, it was a typo (a difference of two letters is a typo), take your asinine attitude elsewhere or you will be introduced to an avalanche of studies, here's another one

 

https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp935

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, SnowDemon said:

Yup. I'm dying in urban hell. Anyway, I'm done here.

if it doesn't affect you of course you don't care.

the attitude of the typical American

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SnowDemon said:

Um, you mistook melanin for melatonin. Please. No point in arguing with you.

you're right no point in arguing about something so obvious.

please do tell us next that ultraprocessed food is fine too.

[psv88]

Densely packed cities are best for the environment. The light pollution argument is ridiculous. Most people have curtains and suburbs have street lights too. 
 

as for noise pollution that is a different story, but most people who live in the city are not impacted 

[MorristownWx]

What the hell is going on in here? There’s actual weather to track and this is the discussion…

[Sundog]

21 minutes ago, SnowDemon said:

And there are studies that show that there are benefits as well, but yeah, not getting into that here. Already off topic.

There are studies that show the benefits of light and noise pollution? Or you mean living in a big city?

I'd love to know what these positives are considering it's a completely artificial environment.

[psv88]

2 minutes ago, MorristownWx said:

What the hell is going on in here? There’s actual weather to track and this is the discussion…

Is there?