August 2025 Discussion-OBS - cooler than normal first week but a big comeback to warmer than normal for the last 2-3 weeks

[Dark Star]

20 hours ago, nycwinter said:

as you get older you appreciate mild winters...

I'm 66, and still waiting...

[SACRUS]

 

 

Highs:
 

 

EWR: 84
TEB: 84
New Brnswck: 84
PHL: 84
LGA: 82
NYC: 82
TTN: 82
ISP: 81
ACY: 80
BLM: 80
JFK: 79

[steve392]

On 8/22/2025 at 6:48 PM, LibertyBell said:

These are the bluest skies I have seen in a long time.

I would love to see this kind of sky more often instead of the hazy crap we usually get.

Continued on the say of my sister-in-law's wedding up here. Cool breeze made it a perfect day.  

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 93 (1989)
NYC: 92 (1916)
LGA: 92 (1996)
JFK: 91 (1978)


Lows:

EWR: 55 (1982)
NYC: 51 (1923)
LGA: 56 (1952)
JFK: 57 (1994)


Historical:

 

1683: A hurricane which made landfall in Virginia and moved from Virginia to Massachusetts. Extensive damage was done in Rhode Island, and the torrential rains from the hurricane caused the Connecticut River to rise 26 feet above its usual level causing a tremendous flood in the Connecticut Valley.(Ref. Hurricane of 1683)
 

 

1724 - An event is known as the "Great Gust of 1724" occurred on this day. Almost all tobacco and much of the corn crops were destroyed by this violent tropical storm, which struck the Chesapeake Bay. Intense floods of rain and a huge gust of wind were seen on the James River. Some homes were wrecked, and several vessels were driven ashore. The storm was likely followed by a second hurricane just five days later causing rain for many straight days that caused the Virginia floods of 1724.

 

1806: A hurricane of great size and destructive power raged along the Atlantic coast from the 21st to the 24th. As the slow moving storm gained forward speed, shipping suffered severely. The coastal ship "Rose in Bloom" capsized during the morning off Barnegat Inlet, NJ, with the loss of 21 of the 49 persons on board. This disaster received wide national publicity. Further north, Cape Cod, MA received 18 inches of rain, which ruined crops. The storm also caused major shipping losses.  (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1851: The Great Middle Florida Hurricane of 1851 struck the area near Apalachicola and St. Marks. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1906 - Thunderstorms deluged Kansas City, MO, with six inches of rain during the early morning, including nearly three inches in thirty minutes. (The Kansas City Weather Almanac)

1921 - Denver, CO, was drenched with 2.20 inches of rain in one hour, a record for that location. (The Weather Channel)

 

1933: A hurricane made landfall near Nags Head, North Carolina and tracked up the Chesapeake Bay. The Chesapeake-Potomac hurricane moved over Norfolk, Virginia, and Washington, DC. A seven-foot tide flooded businesses in Norfolk, Virginia. Described in the American Meteorological Society's August 1933 weather review as "one of the most severe storms that have ever visited the Middle Atlantic Coast."

1933 - The Chesapeake-Potomac hurricane moved over Norfolk VA and Washington D.C. A tide seven feet above normal flooded businesses in Norfolk, and damage in Maryland was estimated at seventeen million dollars. (David Ludlum)

1939: A long dry spell began in central Illinois. This was the first of 37 consecutive days where no measurable rain fell at Springfield, a record dry spell for the city. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1955: Hail in Houston County, with piles to a foot deep at Rushmore, SD. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1963: Project Stormfury was armed and ready as Hurricane Beulah moved across the Atlantic Ocean north of Puerto Rico. An armada of planes carried out the seeding and monitored the results of the experiment. On the 23rd, Beulah did not really meet the criteria for seeding. On the following day, the storm met the criteria of having a well-formed eyewall and the seeding appeared to be successful as the eyewall disintegrated. No other hurricanes would be seeded until 1969 because of a lack of good targets. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1966: A bolt of lightning struck and killed a surfer who had just come out of the water while surfing at Surf City, NJ. The surfer was standing at the ocean's edge when lightning struck. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1970 - Dry thunderstorms ignited more than one hundred fires in the Wenatchee and Okanogan National Forests of Washington State. Hot, dry, and windy weather spread the fires, a few of which burned out of control through the end of the month. More than 100,000 acres burned. (The Weather Channel)

 

1974: Brown's Summit, NC -- a 9-year-old girl was killed by lightning. Wawarsing, NY-- A 15-year-old girl was killed by lightning and five others were injured while camping during a thunderstorm. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)

1987 - A cold front brought autumn-like weather to the Northern and Central Plains Region. Afternoon highs were in the 50s and 60s across parts of Colorado, Kansas and Nebraska that just two days earlier were in the 90s or above 100 degrees. Thunderstorms produced locally heavy rain in New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Thunderstorms produced hail an inch in diameter, wind gusts to 64 mph, and 2.62 inches of rain at Tucson AZ resulting in three million dollars damage. Cool weather prevailed in the northeastern U.S. Hartford CT reported a record low of 42 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Thunderstorms produced heavy rain with flash flooding in West Virginia. Pickens, WV, reported 4.80 inches of rain in 24 hours. Evening thunderstorms in Mississippi deluged Alta Woods with 4.25 inches of rain in less than an hour. Thunderstorms also produced heavy rain in southeastern Kentucky, and flooding was reported along Big Creek and along Stinking Creek. The Stinking Creek volunteer fire department reported water levels 12 to 14 feet above bankfull. Fort Worth TX hit the 100 degree mark for the first time all year. Strong winds ushering cool air into northwest Utah gusted to 70 mph, raising clouds of dust in the salt flats. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1992 - While South Florida residents were preparing for Hurricane Andrew, folks in western Montana were dealing with early season snowfall. Some snowfall amounts include 8.3� in Great Falls, 6.2 in Helena, and 5.1 in Cut Bank. This snowfall is the first significant snowfall on record in western Montana in August.

1998: Massive flooding caused by heavy rains from the remnants of dying Tropical Storm Charley struck the town of Del Rio, TX. 18 inches of rain fell from Sunday night through Monday morning. At least 13 people died in the flooding in Texas and Mexico. The town of Del Rio had been parched by seemingly endless drought before the rains started had had less than 3 inches of rainfall for the first seven months of the year. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1999: In Sanford, ME, a man playing a video game in the American Legion building was injured when a lightning strike arced through all the video machines. He suffered chest pains/hearing problems. (Weather Guide Calendar with Phenomenal Weather Events 2011 Accord Pub. 2010, USA)

2001: Scattered strong thunderstorms developed during the evening hours of the 22nd in west central Illinois, continuing into the early morning hours of the 23rd. Excessive rain fell during this period, and produced widespread urban and street flooding. Cooperative observer rainfall observations ranged from 6.30 to 8 inches in Hancock County from this event. In Schuyler County, a total of 8.67 inches of rain fell in Brooklyn. On the LaMoine River, levels rose up to 16 feet in only 4 to 6 hours. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2005 - Hurricane Katrina formed from Tropical Depression Twelve over the southeastern Bahamas. Katrina would become the costliest ($81.2 billion) and one of the most deadly hurricanes (1,836 lives) in U.S. history.

2011: Earthquake today at 1351 that lasted 30 seconds that was rated a 5.8 magnitude and the epicenter was near Mineral, Virginia. The quake was the biggest in Virginia in 114 years since May 5, 1897, when a 5.8 tremor began in Giles County and was felt in 12 states. The Charleston, SC earthquake of August 31, 1886 was a powerful intraplate earthquake the strongest earthquake recorded in South Carolina. The shaking occurred at 9:50 p.m. and lasted just under a minute and is estimated to have been between 6.6 and 7.3 on the Richter scale. The earthquake caused severe damage in Charleston, South Carolina, damaging 2,000 buildings and causing $6 million worth in damages (over $141 million in 2009 dollars), while in the whole city the buildings were only valued at approximately $24 million. Between 60 and 110 lives were lost. After the 1811 and 1812 quakes in New Madrid, Missouri, the Charleston SC earthquake is the most powerful and damaging quake to hit the southeastern United States. Three Main Shocks of the Missouri Earthquake, December 16, 1811 - Magnitude ~7.7, January 23, 1812 - Magnitude ~ 7.5, February 7, 1812 - Magnitude ~ 7.7. Also in 1755, a quake with around a 6.0 magnitude struck off the coast of Massachusetts.

This was the first earthquake I've ever felt!

 

2011: Earthquake today at 1351 that lasted 30 seconds that was rated a 5.8 magnitude and the epicenter was near Mineral, Virginia. The quake was the biggest in Virginia in 114 years since May 5, 1897, when a 5.8 tremor began in Giles County and was felt in 12 states. The Charleston, SC earthquake of August 31, 1886 was a powerful intraplate earthquake the strongest earthquake recorded in South Carolina. The shaking occurred at 9:50 p.m. and lasted just under a minute and is estimated to have been between 6.6 and 7.3 on the Richter scale. The earthquake caused severe damage in Charleston, South Carolina, damaging 2,000 buildings and causing $6 million worth in damages (over $141 million in 2009 dollars), while in the whole city the buildings were only valued at approximately $24 million. Between 60 and 110 lives were lost. After the 1811 and 1812 quakes in New Madrid, Missouri, the Charleston SC earthquake is the most powerful and damaging quake to hit the southeastern United States. Three Main Shocks of the Missouri Earthquake, December 16, 1811 - Magnitude ~7.7, January 23, 1812 - Magnitude ~ 7.5, February 7, 1812 - Magnitude ~ 7.7. Also in 1755, a quake with around a 6.0 magnitude struck off the coast of Massachusetts.

 

The one last year in April 2024 felt stronger here though and that was actually a double (I felt another earthquake later in the day.)

 

 

Also in 1755, a quake with around a 6.0 magnitude struck off the coast of Massachusetts.

 

Would this have caused a tsunami? I wonder if this was felt around here and how bad it was here?

1963: Project Stormfury was armed and ready as Hurricane Beulah moved across the Atlantic Ocean north of Puerto Rico. An armada of planes carried out the seeding and monitored the results of the experiment. On the 23rd, Beulah did not really meet the criteria for seeding. On the following day, the storm met the criteria of having a well-formed eyewall and the seeding appeared to be successful as the eyewall disintegrated. No other hurricanes would be seeded until 1969 because of a lack of good targets. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

Why haven't we seen more of this? Why wasn't Katrina seeded in 2005 for example? Everyone knew it was going to be an epic disaster. Might as well try to do something about it in advance....

 

1806: A hurricane of great size and destructive power raged along the Atlantic coast from the 21st to the 24th. As the slow moving storm gained forward speed, shipping suffered severely. The coastal ship "Rose in Bloom" capsized during the morning off Barnegat Inlet, NJ, with the loss of 21 of the 49 persons on board. This disaster received wide national publicity. Further north, Cape Cod, MA received 18 inches of rain, which ruined crops. The storm also caused major shipping losses.  (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

I've not read about this anywhere, the 1821 hurricane is mentioned far more often.  What was its strength and where did it make landfall, Tony?

 

 

1683: A hurricane which made landfall in Virginia and moved from Virginia to Massachusetts. Extensive damage was done in Rhode Island, and the torrential rains from the hurricane caused the Connecticut River to rise 26 feet above its usual level causing a tremendous flood in the Connecticut Valley.(Ref. Hurricane of 1683)

 

Never heard of this one either, did it make a second landfall up here and what was its strength?

 

[LibertyBell]

24 minutes ago, steve392 said:

Continued on the say of my sister-in-law's wedding up here. Cool breeze made it a perfect day.  

Yes really great late summer / early fall weather

[LibertyBell]

13 hours ago, bluewave said:

Really comfortable pattern here the rest of the month as the next heatwave will miss well to out north with record mid 90s staying up near the tundra. This should be one of the more extreme late season over the top warm ups we have seen. Unfortunately, it will promote more drought and wildfire activity up in Canada. 
 

 

 

I hope that smoke stuff doesn't make it down here, I'm getting used to these deep blue skies

[LibertyBell]

7 hours ago, anthonymm said:

This. I think we're cooked until the western pac stops boiling. Has there been a single extreme -pdo type winter that ended up good for us??

Maybe 1966-67?

That was the last time I can think of there was a historic winter in the Pac NW and on the east coast in the same season.

It was the best winter of the 1960s (although 1960-61 also makes a very strong case.)

 

[LibertyBell]

7 hours ago, WE GOT HIM said:

I'm gonna do some painting upstate.

it's perfect weather for that and also to do some power washing!!!!

[WestBabylonWeather]

Without the wind factor, was a perfect day at Atlantic beach weather wise 

as I was sitting on the beach i turned around toward the bay side and I caught a glimpse of the freedom tower 

don’t see this in babylon. 
 

water was pooled there due to Erin. 
 

[LibertyBell]

46 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Without the wind factor, was a perfect day at Atlantic beach weather wise 

as I was sitting on the beach i turned around toward the bay side and I caught a glimpse of the freedom tower 

don’t see this in babylon. 
 

water was pooled there due to Erin. 
 

Hey you were in my neck of the beach lol, how do you like the beaches here?

[WestBabylonWeather]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

Hey you were in my neck of the beach lol, how do you like the beaches here?

Atlantic beach was nice. We know someone that lives there now so we had parking and access. Did not like the drive from Babylon but it was great otherwise.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, WestBabylonWeather said:

Atlantic beach was nice. We know someone that lives there now so we had parking and access. Did not like the drive from Babylon but it was great otherwise.

it's like a one hour drive or an hour and a half by LIRR (I used to work near the Babylon LIRR station.)

[SACRUS]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

This was the first earthquake I've ever felt!

 

2011: Earthquake today at 1351 that lasted 30 seconds that was rated a 5.8 magnitude and the epicenter was near Mineral, Virginia. The quake was the biggest in Virginia in 114 years since May 5, 1897, when a 5.8 tremor began in Giles County and was felt in 12 states. The Charleston, SC earthquake of August 31, 1886 was a powerful intraplate earthquake the strongest earthquake recorded in South Carolina. The shaking occurred at 9:50 p.m. and lasted just under a minute and is estimated to have been between 6.6 and 7.3 on the Richter scale. The earthquake caused severe damage in Charleston, South Carolina, damaging 2,000 buildings and causing $6 million worth in damages (over $141 million in 2009 dollars), while in the whole city the buildings were only valued at approximately $24 million. Between 60 and 110 lives were lost. After the 1811 and 1812 quakes in New Madrid, Missouri, the Charleston SC earthquake is the most powerful and damaging quake to hit the southeastern United States. Three Main Shocks of the Missouri Earthquake, December 16, 1811 - Magnitude ~7.7, January 23, 1812 - Magnitude ~ 7.5, February 7, 1812 - Magnitude ~ 7.7. Also in 1755, a quake with around a 6.0 magnitude struck off the coast of Massachusetts.

 

The one last year in April 2024 felt stronger here though and that was actually a double (I felt another earthquake later in the day.)

 

 

Also in 1755, a quake with around a 6.0 magnitude struck off the coast of Massachusetts.

 

Would this have caused a tsunami? I wonder if this was felt around here and how bad it was here?

1963: Project Stormfury was armed and ready as Hurricane Beulah moved across the Atlantic Ocean north of Puerto Rico. An armada of planes carried out the seeding and monitored the results of the experiment. On the 23rd, Beulah did not really meet the criteria for seeding. On the following day, the storm met the criteria of having a well-formed eyewall and the seeding appeared to be successful as the eyewall disintegrated. No other hurricanes would be seeded until 1969 because of a lack of good targets. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

Why haven't we seen more of this? Why wasn't Katrina seeded in 2005 for example? Everyone knew it was going to be an epic disaster. Might as well try to do something about it in advance....

 

1806: A hurricane of great size and destructive power raged along the Atlantic coast from the 21st to the 24th. As the slow moving storm gained forward speed, shipping suffered severely. The coastal ship "Rose in Bloom" capsized during the morning off Barnegat Inlet, NJ, with the loss of 21 of the 49 persons on board. This disaster received wide national publicity. Further north, Cape Cod, MA received 18 inches of rain, which ruined crops. The storm also caused major shipping losses.  (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

I've not read about this anywhere, the 1821 hurricane is mentioned far more often.  What was its strength and where did it make landfall, Tony?

 

 

1683: A hurricane which made landfall in Virginia and moved from Virginia to Massachusetts. Extensive damage was done in Rhode Island, and the torrential rains from the hurricane caused the Connecticut River to rise 26 feet above its usual level causing a tremendous flood in the Connecticut Valley.(Ref. Hurricane of 1683)

 

Never heard of this one either, did it make a second landfall up here and what was its strength?

 

 

1821 storm

 

https://www.nj.com/weather/2016/06/monster_storms_the_most_destructive_tropical_systems_to_ever_hit_nj.html

1683

 

https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/research/roth/va17hur.htm

 

Both

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricanes_in_the_17th_century

[WestBabylonWeather]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

it's like a one hour drive or an hour and a half by LIRR (I used to work near the Babylon LIRR station.)

Saw a crazy shooting star on the way home on the southern state. Was green. 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Saw a crazy shooting star on the way home on the southern state. Was green. 

are you serious-- at what time? it has to be really bright to see one on a highway in all this light pollution!!

 

[WestBabylonWeather]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

are you serious-- at what time? it has to be really bright to see one on a highway in all this light pollution!!

 

Just before 9

[LibertyBell]

12 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

1821 storm

 

https://www.nj.com/weather/2016/06/monster_storms_the_most_destructive_tropical_systems_to_ever_hit_nj.html

1683

 

https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/research/roth/va17hur.htm

 

Both

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricanes_in_the_17th_century

Wow the 1821 storm makes the much publicized 1938 storm sound like a small gale.

 

Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821)

 

 

This massive storm, known as the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, churned its way up the Atlantic coast from Virginia and slammed into Cape May in southern New Jersey as a fierce Category 3 hurricane before speeding up along the Jersey coast and pounding New York City and Long Island. Damage was reported to be heavy in Cape May, where a 5-foot storm surge flooded the small resort city and sustained winds were believed to be as high as 110 mph. This map, produced by the Swiss Re global reinsurance company, shows the storm's likely path. (Swiss Re)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821)

 

 

This graphic shows the intense winds generated by the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, which flooded Cape May and pounded the Jersey Shore, New York City and Long Island.  (Swiss Re)

 

 

 

 

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Just before 9

How bright was it? Like a regular star or brighter like a planet?

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Wow the 1821 storm makes the much publicized 1938 storm sound like a small gale.

 

Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821)

 

 

This massive storm, known as the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, churned its way up the Atlantic coast from Virginia and slammed into Cape May in southern New Jersey as a fierce Category 3 hurricane before speeding up along the Jersey coast and pounding New York City and Long Island. Damage was reported to be heavy in Cape May, where a 5-foot storm surge flooded the small resort city and sustained winds were believed to be as high as 110 mph. This map, produced by the Swiss Re global reinsurance company, shows the storm's likely path. (Swiss Re)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821)

 

 

This graphic shows the intense winds generated by the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, which flooded Cape May and pounded the Jersey Shore, New York City and Long Island.  (Swiss Re)

 

 

 

 

 

1903 also had a very strong hurricane that took a path close to the city, what category was this storm?

 

Great Hurricane (Sept. 1903)

 

 

The Great Hurricane of 1903 made a direct hit on New Jersey, causing heavy flooding and structural damage up and down the Shore and as far inland as Trenton (pictured here in a major flood that followed the storm).

 

 

Among the damage reported by Shore News Today: “Hurricane-force winds downed telephone and telegraph wires across the coast, ripped the roofs off of 60 cottages and destroyed the railroad bridge to Brigantine. Most Jersey Shore fishing piers were severely damaged or destroyed.” (Photo credit: Trentoniana collection | Trenton Public Library)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Great Hurricane (Sept. 1903)

 

 

The Great Hurricane of 1903 made a direct hit on New Jersey, causing substantial damage to houses and barns, many of which had their roofs blown off, according to a report by NorthShoreWX.com. The storm’s ferocious winds reportedly uprooted scores of shade trees and fruit trees across the Garden State.

 

 

In Sea Bright, some houses were completely destroyed by this hurricane, the New York Daily News reported. Pictured is an old map showing the storm's path. (Photo credit: NOAA)

[LibertyBell]

The 1944 hurricane was extremely underrated, it was a Great Hurricane that came after a Historic Summer.

 

Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944)

 

 

There's a good reason why New Jersey State Climatologist David Robinson calls the Great Atlantic Hurricane "the worst hurricane ever to hit New Jersey in the 20th century." The damage unleashed by this storm was devastating along the entire coastline, with hundreds of homes on Long Beach Island washed out to sea and huge piers in Atlantic City split up into pieces.

 

 

A resident who witnessed the 1944 destruction in Atlantic City told The Star-Ledger decades later: "It picked up the boardwalk like toothpicks and threw it.” (Photos by New Jersey State Police | NJ State Library)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944)

 

 

This hurricane was so powerful that it swept large boats and barges onto land in Atlantic Highlands, grounded a large passenger boat in Keyport, crushed roads and sections of the boardwalk in Long Branch and destroyed the boardwalk and sea wall in Margate. (Photos by New Jersey State Police and U.S. Navy | NJ State Library)

 

 

More rare photos of the Great Atlantic Hurricane of 1944

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944)

 

 

The 1944 storm was ferocious, blasting the Jersey Shore with winds as strong as 96 mph and waves reported to be as high as 25 to 30 feet. Hundreds of homes were destroyed on Long Beach Island and hundreds more on the Barnegat Peninsula.

 

 

On LBI, the hurricane’s storm surge pushed vacation cottages off their foundations and deposited them blocks away. In Manasquan, the storm left 6-foot sand dunes along First Avenue, looking like snowdrifts. In Cape May, the grand piano in Convention Hall was reportedly washed out to sea. (YouTube video by wetwatervideo)

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944)

 

 

This video recounts the widespread destruction in Atlantic City. One witness says parts of the city were under 5 feet of water and he watched the ocean surge rip apart large sections of the Atlantic City boardwalk. (YouTube video by pcctv1)

 

 

 

 

[WestBabylonWeather]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

How bright was it? Like a regular star or brighter like a planet?

Very bright streak. Spooked me for a second. 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Very bright streak. Spooked me for a second. 

it sounds like a fireball, I wonder how close to the ground it got? Did you hear any sound with it (a fireball with sound is called a bolide)?

[WestBabylonWeather]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

it sounds like a fireball, I wonder how close to the ground it got? Did you hear any sound with it (a fireball with sound is called a bolide)?

No sound but very bright. I was waiting for the sound 

[steve392]

63, crystal clear skies up here in Allamuchy township.  Cool breeze. Amazing how getting an hour outside of NYC hiw black the skies are. So many stars. 

[donsutherland1]

10 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Wow the 1821 storm makes the much publicized 1938 storm sound like a small gale.

 

Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821)

 

 

This massive storm, known as the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, churned its way up the Atlantic coast from Virginia and slammed into Cape May in southern New Jersey as a fierce Category 3 hurricane before speeding up along the Jersey coast and pounding New York City and Long Island. Damage was reported to be heavy in Cape May, where a 5-foot storm surge flooded the small resort city and sustained winds were believed to be as high as 110 mph. This map, produced by the Swiss Re global reinsurance company, shows the storm's likely path. (Swiss Re)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

 

Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821)

 

 

This graphic shows the intense winds generated by the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, which flooded Cape May and pounded the Jersey Shore, New York City and Long Island.  (Swiss Re)

 

 

 

 

 

Of note, unless that is a simulated photo of what it might have looked like, it has to be from a different storm. It was probably taken in the late 19th century or early 20th century, perhaps during the 1893 hurricane or 1903 hurricane; 1903 would probably be more likely as that hurricane made landfall in NJ while the 1893 hurricane passed just east of NJ). No photos were taken during the 1821 hurricane. The first actual photo (heliograph) was taken in 1822.

[donsutherland1]

22 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Of note, unless that is a simulated photo of what it might have looked like, it has to be from a different storm. It was probably taken in the late 19th century or early 20th century, perhaps during the 1893 hurricane or 1903 hurricane; 1903 would probably be more likely as that hurricane made landfall in NJ while the 1893 hurricane passed just east of NJ). No photos were taken during the 1821 hurricane. The first actual photo (heliograph) was taken in 1822.

As reverse Google searches failed to turn up the photo or information about it, I turned to AI to make an estimate. Here's the AI assessment:

Historical Photo Assessment Report

**Subject:** Flooded street scene with people in a rowboat

**Probable Date Range:** 1895–1915

1. Photographic Technology

- Sepia tone and matte finish consistent with late 19th to early 20th century printing.
- Likely a gelatin silver or albumen print—popular in this timeframe.
- Large-format camera, outdoor composition—consistent with photos from ~1890 onward.
- Not a tintype or daguerreotype, which rules out pre-1880s.

2. Clothing & Fashion

- Men: Bowler hats, flat caps, sack coats, and high-buttoned jackets → typical 1890s–1910s.
- Children: Boys wearing knee-length trousers and caps, common pre-1920.
- A girl figure (left of boat): coat, knee-length skirt, stockings → typical children’s dress of 1900–1915.
- No bobbed hair or shorter dresses, which rules out the 1920s onward.

3. Hairstyles & Grooming

- Men appear clean-shaven or with short mustaches, no full Victorian-style beards.
- The clean-shaven look became dominant after 1890.

4. Architecture & Built Environment

- Wood clapboard siding (left) and brick commercial block (right) → typical northeastern/mid-Atlantic U.S. urban architecture c. 1880–1910.
- Storefront signage: painted glass with “High Grade Hats for Cash / Cigars” → typography and phrasing characteristic of turn-of-the-century advertising.

5. Technology in Scene

- No automobiles, no electric poles with visible wiring, no modern streetlamps.
- Rowboat transport → indicates pre-automobile flood response.
- Absence of cars suggests pre-1915 urban America.

6. Photographic Context

- Group portrait-like arrangement: people posed but outdoors.
- Mix of children and adults, plus deliberate posing, suggests community or news documentation typical of early disaster photography.

Overall Assessment

Bringing together photographic style, clothing, architecture, and technology, the most likely date range for this photograph is 1895–1915, with a strong clustering around 1900–1910.

[SACRUS]

 

76 / 67 partly cloudy .  Mainly dry front with some scattered showers pushing into EPA. Clouds arrive in the next few hours but clear out later in the afternoon. Only scattered / isolated showers.  Monday the warmest day of the next 7 - 10 with mid / upper 80s before the trough builds in.  Cooler overall the rest of the month before moderation to warmer by the 3rd.

 

[SACRUS]

 

Records:

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14 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

As reverse Google searches failed to turn up the photo or information about it, I turned to AI to make an estimate. Here's the AI assessment:

Historical Photo Assessment Report

 

**Subject:** Flooded street scene with people in a rowboat

 

**Probable Date Range:** 1895–1915

 

1. Photographic Technology

 

- Sepia tone and matte finish consistent with late 19th to early 20th century printing.
- Likely a gelatin silver or albumen print—popular in this timeframe.
- Large-format camera, outdoor composition—consistent with photos from ~1890 onward.
- Not a tintype or daguerreotype, which rules out pre-1880s.

 

2. Clothing & Fashion

 

- Men: Bowler hats, flat caps, sack coats, and high-buttoned jackets → typical 1890s–1910s.
- Children: Boys wearing knee-length trousers and caps, common pre-1920.
- A girl figure (left of boat): coat, knee-length skirt, stockings → typical children’s dress of 1900–1915.
- No bobbed hair or shorter dresses, which rules out the 1920s onward.

 

3. Hairstyles & Grooming

 

- Men appear clean-shaven or with short mustaches, no full Victorian-style beards.
- The clean-shaven look became dominant after 1890.

 

4. Architecture & Built Environment

 

- Wood clapboard siding (left) and brick commercial block (right) → typical northeastern/mid-Atlantic U.S. urban architecture c. 1880–1910.
- Storefront signage: painted glass with “High Grade Hats for Cash / Cigars” → typography and phrasing characteristic of turn-of-the-century advertising.

 

5. Technology in Scene

 

- No automobiles, no electric poles with visible wiring, no modern streetlamps.
- Rowboat transport → indicates pre-automobile flood response.
- Absence of cars suggests pre-1915 urban America.

 

6. Photographic Context

 

- Group portrait-like arrangement: people posed but outdoors.
- Mix of children and adults, plus deliberate posing, suggests community or news documentation typical of early disaster photography.

 

Overall Assessment

 

Bringing together photographic style, clothing, architecture, and technology, the most likely date range for this photograph is 1895–1915, with a strong clustering around 1900–1910.

 

That image was from the 1903 storm.  If you look at the sight it references it below just odd formatting of the web page.. 

 

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Records:

Highs:

EWR: 95 (1947)
NYC: 94 (1972)
LGA: 93 (2020)
JFK: 94 (1995)




Lows:

EWR: 52 (1940)
NYC: 52 (1890)
LGA: 55 (1971)
JFK: 55 (1962)


Historical:

 

1785: A hurricane ravaged the area from St. Croix, Virgin Islands to Cuba during the last week of August beginning on this date. Over 142 people were reported dead from storm's impact. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1814: The British army invaded Washington and set fire to the city on August 24th. The next day a line of severe thunderstorms spawned a tornado in Washington that killed several British solders and caused significant damage to the city. The heavy rainfall associated with the storm helped extinguish the fires that were burning throughout Washington. (p.31 Washington Weather Book 2002 by Ambrose, Henry, Weiss)

1827: A powerful hurricane struck North Carolina. The storm caused the Diamond Shoals Lightship to break away from its anchorage and drift away. Two crew members were lost during the storm. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1893: A hurricane moved northeast of Puerto Rico, then moved north close to the New Jersey shore and into western Long Island, NY during the pre-dawn hours. Cape Henry, VA, measured a gust to 128 mph. Philadelphia, PA had a maximum 1-minute wind velocity of 55 mph. New York City recorded a daily rainfall record of 3.61 inches. This hurricane, still a Category 2 off New Jersey and washed away the Hog island. This storm retained its hurricane strength throughout its passage across New England, decreasing to tropical storm status over the mouth of the St Lawrence River. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1906 - A cloudburst deluged Guinea, VA, with more than nine inches of rain in just forty minutes. (David Ludlum)

 

1910: An unusually strong dry cold front caused a considerable drop in temperature at Denver, CO. From 3 PM to Midnight the temperature fell from a high of 93° to a low of 40°. Sustained winds of 44 mph were reported during the late afternoon. The low of 40° set a daily record low and tied a record low for August. Cheyenne, WY dropped to 30°, their earliest freeze on record. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1936: This date was a real scorcher across the Central and Northern Plains. Sioux Falls hit 109°, tying their second highest temperature on record. The record is 110 °F that was set on June 21, 1988. In fact, three of the four hottest temperatures ever recorded in Sioux Falls occurred in 1936, which not coincidentally is the hottest summer on record across much of the Northern Plains. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1948: The following locations recorded their hottest August temperature: Mather, WI: 107° (also their hottest day on record), Mondovi, WI: 104°, Winona, MN: 103°, and Rochester, MN: 100°, also tying their hottest August temperature with several other dates: 8/3/1930, 8/4/1947, 8/15/1936, 8/23/1948. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1952: It was a record braking chilly morning across the Mid-Atlantic States. Layton, NJ dropped to 33° and Runyon, NJ fell to 37°. It came close to the states all-time record low for August that occurred at Layton & Charlottesburg on 8/25/1940 when they fell to 32°. Other daily record lows included: Elkins, WV: 40°-Tied, Binghamton, NY: 45°, Buffalo, NY: 47°, Allentown, PA: 47°, Wilmington, DE: 48°, Baltimore, MD: 48°, Huntington, WV: 48°-Tied, Harrisburg, PA: 49°-Tied, Richmond, VA: 50° and New York (LaGuardia Airport), NY: 59°. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1968 - Lightning struck the Crawford County fairgrounds in northwest Pennsylvania killing two persons and injuring 72 others. (The Weather Channel)

 

1974: Central New Jersey--A brief lightning storm killed one person on the beach in Long Island Township. Maine--A line of thunderstorms developed across the southern part of the state. Severe lightning caused two deaths at Rockland. (Ref. Lightning-The Underrated Killer.pdf)

1975: Lansdale, PA in Montgomery County received over 5 inches of rain in 2 hours. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1984: Southern Alaska: Remnants of Tropical Storm Holly bring heavy rains and snows to parts of southern Alaska. Four-foot snow drifts are reported at Denali National Park. (Ref. WxDoctor)

1987 - Autumn-like weather prevailed across the north central and northeastern U.S. Seven cities reported record low temperatures for the date, including Saint Cloud MN with a low of 37 degrees. Temperatures in Florida soared to 98 degrees at Pensacola and 99 degrees at Jacksonville. Thunderstorms produced heavy rain in the Southern High Plains Region, with 5.40 inches at Union NM, and 7.25 inches reported west of Anthony NM. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Thunderstorms in the Delaware Valley of eastern Pennsylvania produced wind gusts to 95 mph around Philadelphia, and gusts to 100 mph at Warminster. A tropical depression drenched the Cabo Rojo area of southwestern Puerto Rico with up to ten inches of rain. San Juan received 5.35 inches of rain. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Late afternoon and evening thunderstorms produced severe weather in eastern Montana and western sections of the Dakotas. Thunderstorms in Montana produced wind gusts to 76 mph at Jordan, and golf ball size hail at Rock Springs, which collected three to four feet deep in ditches. Lewiston ID reported a record 1.50 inches of rain for the date, and a record rainfall total for August of 2.63 inches. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

1991: Eastern North Dakota suffered severe hail damage from stones that were as big as 6 inches near Lisbon. Windows were smashed, cars heavily damaged, holes punched in roofs and 16,000 acres of crops were destroyed. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1992 - Hurricane Andrew made landfall in southern Florida at 4:30 AM on this day. The high winds caused catastrophic damage in Florida, with Miami-Dade County cities of Florida City, Homestead, and Cutler Ridge receiving the brunt of the storm. About 63,000 homes were destroyed, and over 101,000 others were damaged. This storm left roughly 175,000 people homeless. As many as 1.4 million people were left without electricity at the height of the storm. In the Everglades, 70,000 acres (280 km2) of trees were knocked down. Additionally, rainfall in Florida was substantial, peaking at 13.98 in (355 mm) in western Miami-Dade County. About $25 billion in damage and 44 fatalities were reported in Florida.

 

2005: Tropical depression 12 would be named Tropical Storm "Katrina" during the morning. Katrina went on to become the costliest and one of the most deadly hurricanes to ever strike the U.S. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

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