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September 2019 General Discussions & Observations Thread
Isotherm replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
90F per station. Day 16 for the season. -
September 2019 General Discussions & Observations Thread
Isotherm replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
81F dew point 55 here, after a morning low of 50. Warm in the sun but still quite comfortable. -
September 2019 General Discussions & Observations Thread
Isotherm replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
42.5F to 77.5F and now down to 58F already. Impressive diurnal ranges the next few days. -
I am not sure precisely what is included in this index; however, while it may be a fine proxy for ENSO specifically, I do not believe it adequately considers other pertinent variables, such as the GWO and associated torque variations, which would provide a more veracious macroscale view in my opinion. At several points on that graph in which neutral or Nino is depicted, other indicators such as GWO cycling and tropical forcing ostensibly indicated a Nina esque atmospheric regime. Again, it may be fine for the purposes which it is designed for, but I personally would not rely upon it as the most accurate indicator of the macroscale atmospheric status.
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KA was one of the few in the already small long range community who produced consistent results. I did not initiate my long range forecasting career as early as you, KA, or Matt. However, I began in 2006, and have a 80.0% success rate [including summer/winter outlooks, 25 outlooks total sample size]. As per usual, I intend to issue a winter outlook again this autumn. Will look forward to reading yours.
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Thanks, Paul. I'm envisioning another interesting outlook season -- think there will be a bit more divergence in forecasts this year.
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September 2019 General Discussions & Observations Thread
Isotherm replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
I concur, @SACRUS. Wednesday will likely be a near miss; Thursday has a good chance as does Mon-Tues. -
Yes, no disagreement there. The second half of August tended cooler and 90F days were too high in the PHL-NYC corridor as noted in the verification above. There may actually be 1 to 3 more chances for 90F for many of these stations but we'll see on that.
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This is a warmer than average August for most of the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic. Slightly warmer than normal (but remember, the forecast for August was not very hot either).
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Dew points were quite high most of August through the third week. It was very humid, and most in the Northeast corridor were slightly warmer than normal. While August was slightly cooler departure wise than expected, July compensated. The trimonthly range is most important for long range seasonals (which directly hit). I often debate whether I should even include monthlies, because it's substantially higher difficulty than the already difficult seasonal, and people will tend to myopically focus on any comparatively diminutive error in one of the monthlies. And the "increasing heat and humidity" was taken a bit out of context. July and August certainly featured increased heat and humidity compared to June, with respect to normal. The assertion in the outlook was that the first 1/3 of summer would be coolest relative to normal with increasing warmth/humidity thereafter, which verified objectively.
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September 2019 General Discussions & Observations Thread
Isotherm replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Summer outlook verification can be found here. The summer went very well in accordance with expectations. -
http://www.lightinthestorm.com/archives/1195 VERIFICATION Temperature Departure Forecast JJA: +1 to +2 NYC/NJ Local Station Departures: NYC: +1.2 LGA: +2 EWR: +1.3 JFK: +1.2 BDR: +1.9 ISP: +2.1 Mean of all stations: +1.6 This fell directly within the target range. The notion that June would be near normal with increasing heat and humidity in July and August was correct, as well as the forecast for at least one major heat spell. Precipitation Forecast for JJA was wetter than normal. Results: NYC: +0.49″ EWR: +2.1″ LGA: +0.53″ JFK: +0.75″ BDR: +0.92″ ISP: -0.35″ Mean of all stations = +0.74″ wetter than normal This was a wet and active T-storm season overall, as anticipated in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic. 90 degree day projections / actual: 90 Degree Day Projections / actual through 9/2/2019: BOS: 14 / 14 error: 0 NYC: 26 / 14 error: +12 LGA: 30 / 23 error: +7 EWR: 33 / 24 error: +9 PHL: 36 / 31 error: +5 DCA: 45 / 52 error: -7 RDU: 52 / 61 error: -9 Total error: +17 [overall, slightly warmer than anticipated] This was a very good forecast considering the high level of difficulty; the numbers were virtually on target for the Mid-Atlantic and New England. It was slightly too many for the PHL-NYC corridor. Summer Outlook 2019 Grade: This will be considered a hit. The forecast was “A” locally. Including the nation-wide picture, the expectation for a very hot West Coast and Mid-atlantic/SE US was correct, and warmer than normal most other locations. The primary flaw was slightly cooler anomalies in the N/C Plains. The nationwide grade is therefore a B+. The overall final grade is A-
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The background state is certainly a not insignificant factor inculcated in the overall long range forecast equation, from my standpoint.
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The SSTA profile similarities b/t present [2019] and late May 2002 are quite striking. The degree of structural symmetry is impressive, on a hemispheric and even global scale.
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Thanks, Roger, and I concur, [while the language was qualified somewhat due to long range precautions] I saw some distinct signals for potential major heat. Good luck with your forecast as well.
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Summer outlook can be found here: http://www.lightinthestorm.com/ ***Scroll down for temperature/pcpn departure forecast details and maps, as well as 90F day forecast. NJ map of total snowfall for the 2018-19 winter: http://www.lightinthestorm.com/nj-snowfall Comments and/or inquiries are appreciated.
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March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
@IrishRob17 @40/70 Benchmark, That is correct, I am not advocating for the once per day observation -- which is much different than capturing the maximum snowfall for the 24 hour period. Ray, to be clear, I am merely presenting the guidelines as they currently stand, which states that non-airport measuring should be maximum snowfall for the 24 hour period. I am not advocating that the 6-hr clearing is necessarily a bad method. I just think congruence with historical records is important and we never should have added the option for 6hr clearing in the 1998-2012 period. Per my discussion with Matt who works with the NJ climatologist, there was extensive debate among the people on the panel for this 6hr - maximum snowfall issues. Interestingly enough, the person who pushed most for the 6-hr method was the same person who reversed his thinking and signed off on the return to the maximum snowfall method. Snow measuring is an inexact science; there are arguments for both methods. -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
I concur with this too, I think they should have maintained the maximum depth standard. -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
Agree, and I'd argue the once per day observation is the least accurate of all for sure. The clearing/vs maximum depth should be fairly similar in most storms that aren't > 32F at the surface. -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
It's definitely a mess now. I'm not sure why there aren't clearer instructions disseminated. -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
Correct. This is per Matt G who works with the State Climatologist. "One final thing regarding this past event. We did receive a 31.0" storm total snow report in Kinnelon (Morris County, NJ) that no doubt got at least a little attention, as it would represent, as far as I know, the largest event total in NJ from the storm. I checked in with the observer, and he confirmed that he cleared the board 3 times mid-storm to reduce the effects of compression. Unfortunately, that makes his inflated measurement invalid, at least in the context of the current guidelines (though even with the 6 hour rule, this must have been more like 1 hour clearings), so we've nixed the value. BTW, I'll personally be working on crafting a NJ snowfall map tomorrow based on hundreds of reports received. I post it here when complete." -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
Prior to 1998, it was max-depth unless instructed. I think max depth would maintain more congruence w/ historical record. I've previously provided reference to the current NWS guidelines. I checked with the NJ State Climatologist, who specializes in snow cover and was very much involved in the crafting of the guidelines. What he was able to explain to me was that traditionally, the six hour option has only been available to professional observers at airports. However, back in about 1998 the NWS rules were revised and the six hour option was added for Coop observers*. -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
Per the NJ state climatologist: "When things were reconsidered in 2012, the 6-hour option was removed except for "when instructed." Now, I'm not sure of the frequency of this usage, but apparently the 6-hour option is not in use, only when instructed to do so by the NWS (usually airport). -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
They're not supposed to as per official guidelines. They should be taking intermediate depth measurements to capture maximum depth. Unfortunately, there is a ton of miscommunication on this issue. NWS airports do use it sometimes when advised (See last post). -
March 12/13/14 Blizzard/Winter Storm/WWA etc
Isotherm replied to Bostonseminole's topic in New England
Just as an FYI, the latest NWS/COOP guidelines for measuring snowfall are to take the maximum accumulation of new snow in a 24 hour period. The 6 hour clearing method is no longer in effect, unless specifically instructed to by a NWS office (airports sometimes). See the following: section 3.1 and onward http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/coop/reference/Snow_Measurement_Guidelines.pdf The following is courtesy of Matt G. who operates with the New Jersey State Climatologist, regarding the official guidelines: I've previously provided reference to the current NWS guidelines. I checked with the NJ State Climatologist, who specializes in snow cover and was very much involved in the crafting of the guidelines. What he was able to explain to me was that traditionally, the six hour option has only been available to professional observers at airports. However, back in about 1998 the NWS rules were revised and the six hour option was added for Coop observers*. This was despite the protest of several people on the committee, as a higher up (I won't name names, but any snow weenie will know the name well) overrode them. When things were reconsidered in 2012, the 6-hour option was removed except for "when instructed." The same fellow who brought about the 6-hour allowance, oddly enough, signed off on the removal of the 6-hour option. All that said, the biggest debate on the committee related to the snow->melt-> snow in a single day situation, the same occurrence that has been argued about here. Ultimately, the compromise was made to simplify the guidelines and call daily snowfall the maximum accumulation achieved during a day, period. There's arguments to made both ways (and it sounds like there were among the experts on the committee), but ultimately, the guideline is objective, consistent, and most in line with historical practices. All that said, from what I've seen as a heavy user of Coop data and a state coordinator for CoCoRaHS, far and away the most common "problem" with snow measurements is that many observers (and from what I've seen, perhaps the majority of non-airport Coop) take their measurements once daily at ob time without making any attempt to capture the maximum accumulation. This is probably not a new issue, as I bet it's been relatively common through the years. But sometimes the differences between maximum accumulation and ob time measurement can be significant, so this is something I gently remind volunteers about, with the understanding that many are unable (e,g., at work or sleeping) or unwilling to take these extra measurements (some Coop sites, for instance, are businesses or municipal operations centers, thus not manned all day). It sucks, but we live with it. As for frequent board clearing, I suspect it's a relatively rare occurrence, though people still assert that the 6-hour clearing rule is the standard. I would not be surprised if even some NWS employees are not aware of the current guidelines (hopefully most are). It just won't die. One final thing regarding this past event. We did receive a 31.0" storm total snow report in Kinnelon (Morris County, NJ) that no doubt got at least a little attention, as it would represent, as far as I know, the largest event total in NJ from the storm. I checked in with the observer, and he confirmed that he cleared the board 3 times mid-storm to reduce the effects of compression. Unfortunately, that makes his inflated measurement invalid, at least in the context of the current guidelines (though even with the 6 hour rule, this must have been more like 1 hour clearings), so we've nixed the value. BTW, I'll personally be working on crafting a NJ snowfall map tomorrow based on hundreds of reports received. I post it here when complete. This is a good debate to have! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. * A note about Coop stations. There seems to be some confusion about what constitutes an "official" report, which is subjective in the first place. The airports are first-order stations that also double as Coop stations. The remainder of Coop sites are manned by volunteer observers, and their data also constitute "official" records in my mind, in that they make up the permanent climate record of the US and are quality controlled and archived in NOAA's NCEI GHCN-Daily dataset. For that matter, so now are CoCoRaHS data (if you are a CoCoRaHS observer, your data are a part of the weather/climate records archived at NCEI!).