Late to the party as always. What gets me is we can all see that it's been a crap setup all winter but we still want to believe we can thread the needle somehow, because ya know, it's always possible. I'm still hoping to get something outta this, 4-8 would still be a win in my book. But the way some here talk, it looks like nothing at all is on the table for lots of us. Can't say that yet.