OSUmetstud

You should go on a public tour of the world and convince everyone to get on with it. Sorry people aren't acting in accordance with your worldview.

I literally posted the CDC regulations above COVID deaths.

To have a communicable disease as third leading cause in death in the US is a huge deal, and I don't believe has been the case since 1918. It will likely end up being the leading cause of death in both NY and NJ this year and potentially other states depending on how things go in the fall. I actually think people care a great deal about it, but the people who don't are get more amplification via social media. If the majority of people didn't care about the disease or didn't take precautions, it would have already gone through the US population with way more deaths than now as a result. You see obvious population level risk aversion over the whole world in both mobility and open table data, which has slowed down the disease spread considerably from its native Ro. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/no-the-cdc-has-not-quietly-updated-covid-19-death-estimates-67902 Comorbidity does not mean a preexisting condition, so this 94% claim you're making is false. In the case of Covid, many other causes of death can be listed on the death certificate along with COVID. 5 of these listed here are or can be caused by COVID itself. Obviously, many older people do have preexisting conditions. The top comorbidities, or underlying medical conditions in a COVID-19 death include: Influenza and pneumonia Respiratory failure Hypertensive disease Diabetes Vascular and unspecified dementia Cardiac arrest Heart failure Renal failure Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events

Lol alright buddy.

This is from their website. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm#understanding-death-data-quality Certifiers are asked to use their best medical judgment based on the available information and their expertise. When a definitive diagnosis cannot be made, but the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty, certifiers may include the terms “probable” or “presumed” in the cause-of-death statement. Cause of Death and COVID-19 When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death on the death certificate, it is coded and counted as a death due to COVID-19. COVID-19 should not be reported on the death certificate if it did not cause or contribute to the death.

I mean its hilarious. We were talking about covid in the usa for the past few days...discussing usa death certificates and ifr estimates. Richard was the one who threw very preliminary worldwide excess deaths at me as some sort of retort but go off.

The cdc standard is that covid contributed to the death actually. Its not just a positive test before death.

Were in the midst of the pandemic. The excess death data is not available from many countries. Flu estimates are done when these data are available.

Yeah, I saw that.

There's been 2 documented cases. Looks rare so far, so that's good. Also, if you get reinfected, but the reinfection is less severe than the first time because of some acquired T-cell immunity from the first infection, that would be good news, too.

Yeah, that's fair. Does seem interesting how disparate the effects are, even in younger and middle-aged people. Metfan is a younger guy and he had symptoms.

Could be a false positive or you could have just had an asympomatic case. Given where you're from it's more likely to be a true positive than a false positive imo given the prevalence of the infection in downstate NY and the better antibody tests that are available now compared to a few months ago.

They do, but those aren't available yet in many countries. You know it is possible to be anti-lockdown/business closure while being honest about the virus is and isn't, scientifically speaking.

I'm sure that they are accurately counting deaths in India and Sub-Saharan Africa.

You are intellectually dishonest.

We've been talking about the US the whole freaking time. The IFR is ten times higher, it's twice as contagious. The US, because of it being a richer and more developed country will tend to better in counting deaths than poorer countries.

I mean wtf...

The flu number is symptomatic fatality rate, not infected fatality rate, the IFR is closer to 0.06-0.07.

The IFR is about 10 times seasonal flu and it's like twice a contagious. The flu on average kills 30K per year, we've lost at least 180K (6 times more) and possibly 250k (8 times more) and it's not done. The pelosi thing is just silly political stuff, it's not the same thing as faking death certificates or approving vaccines before they've been properly tested.

Yeah, that's because it's uncommon (not never) to be listed and influenza tests aren't done all the time, which why the CDC uses data and modeling to estimate the flu burden yearly. Do you review all US death certificates? We're testing for COVID a great deal because we're in the middle of pandemic.

Why doesn’t CDC base its seasonal flu mortality estimates only on death certificates that specifically list influenza? Seasonal influenza may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that influenza is underreported on death certificates. There may be several reasons for underreporting, including that patients aren’t always tested for seasonal influenza virus infection, particularly older adults who are at greatest risk of seasonal influenza complications and death. Even if a patient is tested for influenza, influenza virus infection may not be identified because the influenza virus is only detectable for a limited number of days after infection and many people don’t seek medical care in this interval. Additionally, some deaths – particularly among those 65 years and older – are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). For these and other reasons, modeling strategies are commonly used to estimate flu-associated deaths. Only counting deaths where influenza was recorded on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of influenza’s true impact.

Bullshit.

as long as the final approval by the FDA goes through the proper channels and is science-based. wtf does this mean to you? The data will be released to the public. So independent scientists and people like you and I can look at the data and can make a decision. Like I said as long as the decision is clearly based on science, like there's strong evidence of efficacy and safety then yes, I will take it.

Eh, you couldn't possibly know if COVID contributed to death sooner in the end. That's something that you've decided to make political since death certificates list multiple causes. You're basing your opinions on some anecdotes and jumping to conspiracy. The system isn't obviously perfect, but if it were doing a poor job overall, the excess deaths wouldn't as high as they are...

This is a completely different issue. You completely bought that that 94% of covid-with nonsense without even bothering looking at the data. The FDA licenses vaccines, not the CDC. I don't have a problem with the CDC telling states to get ready for large-scale vaccine distribution, as long as the final approval by the FDA goes through the proper channels and is science-based.