RobertSul

Let’s heat up the Northern Atlantic basin!

I feel like I’ve seen this in an old Disney flick.

Looks like the liberal-leaning places like the West and Northeast are way ahead on this! Kudos!

I mean, they make up for it be pretending to be tough, I guess? Nothing says "we're tough guys" like an entire city that's been gentrified.

Coming from the people who shut everything down over half an inch of snow.

About a month ago. It’s a temporary move, I might be back in Michigan by September-ish.

Absolutely. Fiscal responsibility on a personal level needs to be taught in schools. The thing is, people get very touchy on the subject of their spending habits.

Those are cases per million, so they’ve been adjusted for population.

People who get into car accidents, are injured at home, have a sudden medical emergency don't have 1 foot in the grave, and these things can happen at any age, but if the hospitals are overwhelmed, how would they get medical attention? Also, how do you know for sure you don't have a congenital heart disease that wouldn't be further complicated by this disease?

Accountability and Responsibility should be factors.

I believe in preparation. I’m not sure what you mean by partisan, since I was a Republican for 10 years before becoming an Independent.

It’s the difference of going into a country you’ve never been before with a map or no map. One has you prepared, the other has you stumbling in the dark, figuratively speaking.

Or don’t dismantle your federal pandemic response team.

The last major pandemic was 100 years ago - do you expect to be around another 100 years? Not to mention the lessons we’ll have learned combatting this current virus with modern technology will facilitate preparation with future outbreaks.

The reaper doesn’t overwhelm hospital systems all the time. This isn’t an “all the time” scenario we are in.

How often has that overwhelmed hospital systems, though?

The cut-off is when a vaccine is available to 0% of the population.

Yeah. That’s the difficulty. If nothing happens, it’s “lockdown didn’t work!!” If your town is inundated with cases, it’s, “lockdown didn’t work!!”

I think if we lived in a rural area with little to no cases, we’d have a better understanding of their frustration. If they lived in an urban area with a lot of cases, they’d be more sympathetic to ours. It really does come down to personal experiences and where you live right now. Like @RogueWaves, I’m a boots-on-the-ground kinda person, so actually being in a location and experiencing what’s happening around you goes a long way in what opinions you hold.

I don’t think he thinks it’s not a big deal, it seems his belief is that the disease doesn’t justify the government’s reaction. I disagree with that belief, but that’s what the 1st amendment is for.

Sorry I guess I don’t understand what your conversation with another poster has to do with me...

Under ordinary circumstances you’re absolutely right, but these are extraordinary circumstances. Also, Michigan had 2,000 cases a day for a while, yesterday they were down to under 200, so something’s working. People who have 2nd homes could potentially bring the disease to a place where it didn’t previously occur. It’s like spreading a new disease to an Amazon tribe that has no contact with the outside world - they don’t have vaccines or immunity to various diseases, just like people with COVID don’t have access to vaccines and there’s limited immunity, though antibody testing is giving us a better idea as to who would be. In other words: If I’m infected and go to my 2nd home in a town that doesn’t have any cases, wait in line at a convenience store for food that I forgot to bring, and spread it to the people there, suddenly I’m responsible for new cases spreading in that town. What other protections would the citizens of that town have? How would you hold me accountable for spreading disease and death there?

Ah thank you for this! I’m wondering if those factories took extra precautions, or perhaps cases haven’t been as widespread in the western part of the state? Whatever the case, those all look essential except for the financial services? I’m not sure what would happen if the essential ones ended up shutting down.

Sounds like that’d be against the stay-at-home order, then. I don’t see any exceptions being made to factories in the literature, but of course to forcibly shut them down would be governmental overreach and to keep them open would be hypocritical.