RobertSul

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I’m having trouble finding any information online that supports this. Do you have any sources?

Thank you for that statistic. So with the social distancing in place, and in only 2 months, we have 6x the amount of deaths that drunk driving causes in an entire year. Also, isolated in this case means “having minimal contact or little in common than others”. In other words: not causing a chain reaction.

I moved back to Mass after living in Michigan for 15 years. But what factories in Michigan were allowed to stay open?

What Michigan factories were allowed to stay open?

If someone drunk driving on the roads led to three other drunk drivers on the roads, and each of those led to another 1-3 drunk drivers on the road and so on, then you’d have a point. Likewise, if COVID-19 was not contagious and was regulated to isolated incidents like in your examples, then we certainly wouldn’t have gone through all this trouble.

Especially as temperatures are warming up, this will be a great alternative. Hopefully they’ll also provide covering for rain.

I’d imagine bringing home the disease and severely sickening/killing vulnerable loved ones would also drive up suicidal ideation, not to mention hospital staff dealing with an unending influx of patients, like this ER doctor in NYC. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1195656

With temperature forecast to be around 70 this weekend, I hope this ends up being a good practice round for people maintaining safe protocols as they venture out. The good news is that there appears to be an adequate amount of PPE for healthcare workers and civilians can now get masks at gas stations.

At this point why not make a weird year weirder.

Lol people WERE arguing the merits of testing which is why I was responding. But not everywhere is a high risk facility, so you wouldn’t need tens of millions a day.

Asymptomatic carriers still test positive and just drives the case for more testing. You’re not stuck just relying on telltale signs like coughing and sneezing to isolate potential carriers. Weekly or even daily tests at high-risk facilities like meat-packing plants would be wise - those who test positive are sent home for two weeks and the plant doesn’t shut down.

That’s like saying that Hurricane Watches are useless and people should wait until the death toll/structural damage numbers of a storm come in. The death/recovery rates lag by a couple weeks from initial symptoms. If you have a sudden surge of cases, you can at least try to prepare a week or so in advance.

I’d hope all that medical equipment would have serial numbers that can be tracked throughout the process.

A violent sneeze can travel at 100mph, and the virus can be transmitted through sneezing, so it wouldn’t be hard to imagine that particles can drift along a moderate breeze given that the protective aerosol remains intact. There’s also impact load to consider - the more concentrated the particles, the worse the potential outcome as your body might not have as much time to ramp up its immunological defenses against ‘x’ copies, before any multiplication occurs in the new host. I’d think a breeze would diffuse the particles so it also wouldn’t be quite as heavily concentrated? Edit: I am not a doctor, let alone a virologist or microbiologist, and for all I know there might be an element of micro-shear in the wind that is likely to tear up an aerosol bubble. There are probably other factors I’m overlooking, but this is my best attempt at an educated opinion.

Some of those cases might be due to the 100 protestors who gathered outside the state house on Monday.

30,000 people have died in this country WITH most states’ restrictions. What would you do if you had a heart attack, stroke, appendicitis, kidney stones, car accident, organ failure, or any other deadly or painful malady that’d require hospitalization but all the hospitals around you were beyond capacity? Not to mention those with chronic conditions which require frequent trips to see a doctor.

We live in a society where change is cast by voting. I love this country and I want to see it improve, as do you, but we’re probably just coming at the solution from different directions. With climate, you can’t change it by voting. Moving is the ONLY option.

You definitely bring up valid points. The thing is, we’re the nation with the highest GDP in the world, why is our safety net in tatters like those of developing countries? Same with our healthcare. I’m all for capitalism, but there has to be SOME redistribution - make the top too heavy and everything below gets crushed. Too much equalizing and people don’t want to work as hard. There’s definitely a Goldilocks zone between these two extremes. We’re all working through this virus and the ensuing economic impact together, and we all want the best. The fear is that this is unprecedented in the modern age, but certain parts of the economy (e-services, agriculture, delivery services, etc.) are continuing to hum along while other industries are in sleep mode. Vaccines and antibodies are being worked on in the meantime, and there’s never been a mass scale human effort to combat a virus like we have now. The main effort is to prevent the crash of hospitals not just for COVID patients, but those with ANY medical emergency... which can happen at any age. Once we get over that hump, things will gradually return to normal. I know it’s a time plagued with uncertainty, but we’re all in this together and we’ll all pull through.

COVIDiots

Meat processing plants have stayed open, and they're starting to close down as a result of COVID spreading through the workers. So in those cases, not only are you having to close them off anyway, but people are unnecessarily sick and dying. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/13/south-dakota-pork-plant-closes-after-200-workers-contract-covid-19

Cause and effect. Ohio has much more reasonable rules because there’s a much lower case count. Had Whitmer rolled out these strict guidelines from the very beginning, you’d have a point. Thing is, Ohio and Michigan rolled out the same regulations at the same time in March, and yet the impact of the virus is more severe here. And you don’t think there’s something seriously sociopathic about preferring everyone be dead over a *temporary* suspension of some of your liberties? When everything resumes back to normal, you know who won’t be mulching and planting and going on with life? People who’ve died so that others could get a bucket of paint or a bag of mulch at Meijer. I fail to see how your scale of morality tips towards the *permanency* of death over the *temporary* suspension of the *non-essential*. I can only assume you live in a rural area where you’re not at high risk and can’t possibly appreciate or fathom the ramifications that a small trip outside your home has on the survivability of you or those around you. I don’t think you understand what it’s like to hear sirens whirring by a dozen times a day when before it’d been just once or twice. And I don’t think you appreciate the exhaustion and the REAL SACRIFICE (not being able to paint and mulch for a month or two are not REAL SACRIFICES) that our hospital staff are going through during this extremely stressful period, and why they’re pleading for people to just stay the f*ck home.

You understand it’s serious, but you’d still rather be able to have more avenues to spread this extremely contagious disease? A golf game and other non-essentials are more important to you than the pain and suffering this disease has caused and will continue to cause?

Wow, good luck up there!

I was wondering about that too. Could this also be the year’s first high risk if one’s issued?