for real, i mean the models are having an incredibly difficult time keeping up with things. around mid november the beginning of december was screaming torch, but here we are. ultimately i think most things will moderate out in the long run, warm/cold/warm/cold. its just the nature of living here. obviously none of us know exactly what the winter has in store, but actually having winter type cold in the beginning of december sets a more hopeful tone for this season than years past. also the differences between the EPS and GEFS are so staggering i cant make sense of what will happen, so hopefully we can keep our fingers crossed. im hoping for a wintery feeling holiday week