TimB

I don’t want trees snapping and power outages, lol. Edit: I guess power outages would give me a day off of work, but pretty sure that’s just a waste of a day of leave.

Even falling onto cold ground/snow after a week plus of being below freezing at the sfc?

Aside from the NAM, most models do keep the vast majority of precip frozen (to the extent that freezing rain is “frozen”). But the ice storm threat is increasing. What product will the NWS issue? I would think a warning rather than an advisory for 2-6” of snow SE to NW and a much higher risk of 0.25” ice.

Or the GFS could push the low back through Indy like it did yesterday, or it could keep shifting east. Way too many options.

GFS keeps trending East with the later system, rams the low directly through our area. Could be interesting.

That was a memorable cold snap. I guess my memory immediately went to the 10+ inches we received in late March that melted almost as quickly as it fell, and yes, the snow in April, which inflated our totals a little. That was one of the longest cold snaps in recent memory, and I remember shoveling snow in brutal cold.

I agree. ‘17-18 comes to mind for a season with a high total but wasn’t a real winter.

Well the 12z HRRR certainly didn’t go in our favor either... NWS will keep the watch intact, as is, until they issue an advisory this afternoon for 2-4” of snow and up to 0.1” of ice.

I think that’s an undeniable fact, with one caveat. If this snow season ends with the 49.7 inches we’ve had so far, and nothing more (unlikely, as it’s almost certain we’ll get at least a little more), I would classify that as a good but not necessarily “great” season. If that’s the final season total, it’s slightly above average. To use a sports analogy, if you will, a snow season with 49.7” would be like a Steelers season where they go 11-5 and win one playoff game before getting eliminated (certainly better than recent years, but “good, not great.”)

So from an information and knowledge standpoint, how does the NAM usually do at this juncture? Does it typically run warm? Cold? I’m not all that well versed in the NAM.

So there we have it. An inch and a half of snow from the first wave, almost half an inch of ice from the second wave, and it all melts and then some when temperatures rise into the mid to upper 30s Tuesday morning, if the NAM proves to be correct. Won’t sensationalize and say take down the watch this time because that amount of ice is no joke.

Yeah, remember when the models thought we’d wake up to -19 this morning?

Half an inch of ice and not one flake of snow in the second wave? And the track of the low has officially entered Ohio. Forget about a Youngstown special, this is a Fort Wayne special.

They’re also under a wind chill warning because “wind chills may fall below zero.” We’re now up to 47 states that have an active watch/warning/advisory for either snow or cold, and 18 of those are for the entire state.

In Pgh itself. NW half of the county is still yellow. But the map also shows a not insignificant 0.11” of ice, which would usually be mentioned in the watch? Also of note: the GFS actually gives us less snow with the Mon-Tues storm than it does with the Thurs storm. And that, despite the fact that it’s showing 3/4” of zr on Thursday.

NWS did downgrade the watch to 4-7 with 0.1-0.2 of ice, but now they’ve gone back to 6-8 with no mention of ice. But they still have ice in the point and click. Odd that they wouldn’t put it in the watch.

No offense taken. Perspective is important, and this has been a solid winter, with snow cover for long periods of time and that simply hasn’t happened in recent memory. At this point, the only question to be answered depending on how the rest of the season plays out is “will it be a good winter, a great winter, or a historic winter?” And I think we only need a little more snow the rest of the way to move from the “good” category to the “great” category. But if not, we still got a good winter and it’s been awhile since we’ve had one (I don’t count 2017-2018, despite a high snow total.) I will dial back the complaining.

A little, yes. This hobby doesn’t suck, it’s no different than being a sports fan or anything like that. There are a lot of punches to the gut, tonight included, but it provides a great deal of enjoyment.

They don’t fret about it. I lived in a location where the only two ptypes that regularly occurred were rain and snow, and mostly snow at that, and it was fantastic. Got to experience a record snow season while I was there, and it shattered the previous record by over two feet. But Pittsburgh is home and I wouldn’t change that.

There we have it. Another storm, another chance for the models to get our hopes up, and another 0z run that makes us go to bed disappointed. This hobby sucks.

This. I would 100% believe this is just a one off if the 18z GFS didn’t show the exact same trend. Whether or not you can dismiss it as “it’s just the 18z” depends on who you ask, it seems. Of course, we will have an answer to that in an hour or so.

Even with the GFS already showing it? Edit: I suppose the GFS still implies 7 inches of snow, so it’s not necessarily “showing it.”

I’m still not suggesting this storm will be anything like that one (for one, I don’t think there’s much if any chance of plain rain, let alone a prolonged period of it, with this one), but I’m starting to think we end up with similar snow totals to that storm.

Yeah, that is a pretty significant change in one run this close. Hopefully the NAM isn't on to something. GFS and Euro will be interesting. 18z GFS, (if you believe in its validity), has already picked up this trend.

That’s two models that screw us now. We know how this ends.