rcostell

Thanks for your meaningful contribution. We all can see that you have been reduced to heckling and peddling BS opinions, troll. I'll follow my own advice and ignore your posts completely in the future (like so many in the forum it seems.) Buh Bye.

Your next to last sentence and prior ones are opinons, of course. Then- read your last sentence, slowly. Talk about contradicting yourself! Case closed.

I'm referencing effects of a warming climate- not weather. I've seen melting permafrost in Northern Norway, rapidly melting (in geologic and real time) icefields in Iceland and Alberta, Canada- rapidly melting glaciers in Switzerland and the American West and unprecedented bleaching of coal reefs in the Carribean. Northward migration of invasive plants and animals intop the interior of the Adirndacks, shortening of "ice season" on our boreal lakes in the North Country of NY and salt water intrusion into coastal cedar swamps in NJ due to sea level rise. These things and may more are occurring. They are irrefutable and real and measured and progressing and accelerating= verified first hand. You can choose to believe me or not- but I've answered your inquiry. In return - I would simply ask you to acknowledge whats going on around us as real- as that debate can no longer be supported to to the visible objective evidence and effects. The data analysis is simply court reporting on a known verdict. I've offered a few objective evidence examples, in my own way, on this forum (Switzerland glacier collapse, as example)- whiich you seem to slough off- but you haven't been at site to know better. Consider that good people with good data and senses (eyes, speech, memory) are seeing what is going on. No need to push back any longer. We need some solutions. I'm kind of done in sensibly responding to you- please consider your stance- from an objectiive evidence perspective- not opinion of others. Thanks.

I do, sir. This is because I've travelled extensively around the globe and seen widepread physical objective evidence of a rapidly warming climate. You can choose to believe that or not- but my eyes and ears and logic all agree that our climate is beginning to become dangerous for us and other species. You don't have to leave Chester county to know the world is not flat...

Unfortunately, some people are too naive, stubborn, ignorant or deluded by others to recognize the preponderance of actual evidence and real world events that point to an oncoming conclusion. Just how it is- they then hear their own echo chamber or are goaded by others. For the greater good- I think these people should be politely ignored by those not so afflicted. See Isaac Cline - 1900 Galveston Hurricane.

This dataset stands on its own. You can spin it, cherry pick "micro-areas", argue about its veracity or deny it exits. But in the real physical world- this dataset is corraborated by actual events and changes that one can visit, see and touch...that only this trend can explain. Lets continue to keep a macro view, shall we?

To amplify further- coincidentally, this mutinational (10 nations, many scientists) study just released details the rapidly declining glacial trend and causal mechanisms. Effects of this trend alone will be significant to the human populace near or dependant on glaciers or the bodies of water they drain into- including the Oceans. https://www.uaf.edu/news/study-finds-alaska-rest-of-earth-to-lose-most-of-glacier-mass.php

Here's the thoughts on the causal mechanism. The Swiss live in concert with glaciers, rockfall and permafrost. I too, have seen these landscapes rapidly changing in places I've visited such as the Central and Northern Rockies, Austrian and Swiss Alps, Norwegian Alps, Dolomites and Iceland. The changes there are accelerating as one can readily see and in talking with the locals- you don't need a lot of data to understand what is going on. They are huge and macro in nature. I'd ask that Dyou do a little reading on glaciology and get familiar with this science before you readily use the words "nothing burger". Maybe in a small county in Pa. according to your rightly disputed charts- but to throw that opinion around conflicts with observed real life. I hope you can realize that. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-causes-glaciers-to-collapse-like-the-event-that-buried-a-swiss-village/#:~:text=The glacier's collapse and the,the past couple of weeks.

So what is your position on Climate change- is it "Cyclical" or "a nothing burger"? Does it change? Is the larger trend warmer? No? Is there life beyond Chester County? I just got back from Valais Canton in Switzerland. I can assure you that the people who used to live in the village of Blatten, after the glacier collapse do not think that a warming climate is a "nothing burger". ...and thats a fact.

C'mon man. "Headlines"? " Debunking"? For God's sake- Its the New York Post (of all gospel "news"sources...) paraphrasing a 22 year old. You're embarassing yourself.

...but we digress. Not the right thread for this debate. In other news: Observation in western Camden County NJ shows a continued aversion to predicted rainfall amounts. Under the trees is still dry aafter todays rain "shield" continued to wedge apart around us. Its beyond random and seems to continue proving the adage thsat "dry begets dry". Its uncanny in how many instances this year, blobs. bands or waves of rain have avoided, split apart or otherwise dissolved as this area has been approached. Its been going on for months, seemingly- and I'm betting that our deficit in this immediate area is significantly more than other areas in the D.V. Local landscapers report on dead or dying shrubs and ornamentals that are commonplace since late last summer. Seems too repeatable to be coincidence.

I 'm hoping you get confused between statistical cycles and overall trends. Like the stock market for instance. There are short term cycles up and down- but the overall actual statistics show a long term trend of upward. As it were- the overall warmth of our planet has also trended up, despite shorter term ups and downs ("cycles"). That is unequivocal, using the best data gathering tools that mankind has produced- and cannot be denied, unfortunately. I wish it were not so... Just being realistic- looking at objective evidence. No arm waving, or card carrying. I've been around the world- and seen the evidence that supports the long term trend- which is becoming evident to impartial data gathering mechanisms. The challange is how do we monitize solutions that buffer us from impending negative possibilities?

You'd better hope so. Here's some real data about our current "cycle". https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/?intent=121 Read it and weep.

I only drop into this forum to read and learn a bit about others data and opinions on Climate Change. I know I've asked before (and folks have migrated over there at the time of asking..) - and don't mean to be "crank"...but could you two or three folks engaged in the running "Chester County data bickering" PLEASE remember that a thread was created for that purpose- and take the tit-for-tat dicsussion and parsing over there. The squabbling of that subject, in this forum is in the wrong place again. I'm hoping for continuity to keep the thread interesting as a read and with some modicum of alignment with its title. Obliged.

Yet another Chester County bicker session in the wrong thread. Seems futile to object?

Observation: The repeated underperformance of rainfall amounts in our part (western Camden County) of SNJ has been notable. Amounts from the last several events to the west and in some cases to the east on the coastal plain have been significantly higher. Soil moisture and vegetation are continuing to suffer. Last 2 days have featured minimal rain- not enough to wet under the trees and radar looks to be winding doiwn rapidly from this event, Dry begets dry it seems.

You know it about the greenheads! Blackflies are really annoying- but greenheads just plain hurt! Those marshes with the wind down can be tough, agreed. Great Bay was a great fishing bay- 10 pound weakfish were not unknown...good waterfowl hunting, too. The Baymens museum in Tuckerton is a great stop, if you've never seen it.

Theres a section of pine barrens up near my place in the Northern Adirondacks in Clinton County. Odd seeing that landscape up there...

Yep- Have camped there myself. We used to cannonball off the top of the counterbalance on the draw bridge over the Mullica River (flows into Great Bay) at night, that cedar water stayed cool all year around. Used to have a boat in Great Bay at a place called Rands marina, out on "7 bridges road". Sandy erased Rands from the map- not rebuilt. (Sold my boat prior). Cedar swamp "logging" is still practiced some- down near Delaware bay in Cumberland County. Some of those logs are "prehistoric" huge! I've also read that the Meadowlands up near where you grew up contained large Atlantic White Cedar stands. Some tiny replanting attempts are ongoing. Those swamps make great flood control measures- but BOY are they dark at night!

I'm not too far from there, actually. Just 3 years ago (again, in April) there was a Pinelands fire that burned almost 70,000 acres. I've read that the "cedar water" prevalent in the area (high acid tannin from all the Atlantic White cedars leaches into the water) retards the leaf litter from decomposing quickly- hence high tinder availability. Sea captains in Colonial times used to cask that cedar water for drinking aboard- as it would not "sour" quickly. You can still drink from cedar water springs in certain areas- as all waters emanating from the central Pines do not flow through man made pollutants. Sorry to go on. I love that area!

That was a crazy one (I was 5, but recall it vaguely in family discussion) in an area that gets many. That sandy soil drains so fast (and can be tough in spots to traverse ("sugar sand"!) but sits on the largest untapped aquifer east of the Mississippi! Its a unique, large area of the southern/central part of the State that is surprisingly (except at the edges, filling in) unpopulated. Radiates well in cold clear conditions, too. It can be 20 degrees here but 0 30 miles southeast, in the heart of the pines. Cool stuff!

Sir- I believe in a written, science/factual based forum like this one- thats its a good thing to call out personal blaming, factual inaccuracies or slander. If you 've seen a pattern of that- Thank you. I don't cotton up to BS. But there you go again- for the Ocean county fire, I used the word "contained" deliberately- as its latest given offical status was "30% contained". Thats not "Out of Control" (nor certainly out, either!) Good for you for observing that Southern California has a different weather pattern, climate and vegetation than the NJ Pine Barrens- I'm familiar as I spend lots of time in San Diego county- but have no idea why you brought that area into the dicussion. Fires )of all sizes) in the Pine Barrens are relatively common this time of year- not every year- and a part of the local ecology, and always have been, prior to the era of suppression. (Lots of scrub Oak leaf litter, pine needles and very sandy, porus soil make for a dry, fuel rich area- you can ask others who live here, or maybe Mr. Gorse, if you distrust me. I'm done so, you can get the last word in, if you'd like- as that seems important to you.

Good morning. You can call me Bob. I'm happy you apologized to Mr. Gorse for your remarks. Well deserved. That was the point of my comment that the mulch fire was not "major"- and especially that exaggeration of a fire caused by spontaneous combustion shouldn't be linked to NWS being negligent. Those were my only points. I see nowhere where I wrote those other things you linked me to. (As far as your attempts at "face- saving", above- everyone on this board knows we have a rainfall deficit, its been windy, and its fire season. I mentioned none of that- so don't imply I did. The fire near Jim Thorpe was preexisting my comments- and the Ocean County fire is "major", although contained. I grew up in the Pine Barrens- there are fires most years, especially during spring before leaf-out..its a neccessary part of the ecology here. Your proclivity towards exaggeration and blaming folks for non-existent issues is noted. Maybe stop trying to bite my ankles when you are already on the canvas. Its a bad look.)

I agree with you 100% of course. My point was that the situation was being exaggerated and (non-drought) causal mechanism ignored- at the expense of our local NWS mets- who have enough "static" to deal with these days.

Mlulch can spontaneously combust- which the local firefighters say is what happened at that site. Its been smoldering for weeks. Nothing to do with NWS or weather, at all. Roger that?