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I remember that 12/28/97 storm. Was supposed to be like 3-6/4-8" on the Cape...a rain/snow mix changing to heavy snow. I think it ended up as a sloppy coating to an inch. I was down at grandparents in Yarmouth for that one on Christmas break in highschool. Parts of SE MA off the Cape though managed 3-4". I remember seeing the snow through Taunton, Franklin, etc before it fizzled to nothing by the time I was back up in ORH. Then the monster 12/29-30/97 storm hit...we were supposed to get all rain in ORH in that as it was a Hudson Valley runner, but we got like 4" on the front end of total paste and then it flipped to marginal ZR for a while before finally turning to like 33F rain before the dryslot...we never actually got warm sectored at the surface...and ended up with a net gain in that storm somehow...we already had a lot of snow on the ground from the 12/23/97 surprise.
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No, there's a feature on this forum called the "search function" and it can find older threads quickly. Then when you find a thread and associated images, there's a feature on the mouse called "right click" and you choose "copy image location" and then you return to this thread and click "paste" in the image url and those pictures will show up. It's pretty neat.
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More radar images later in the storm: Some pics Jerry (weathafella) posted as the storm was winding down in the evening: Storm was slow to leave...still rotating snow down after midnight:
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Was going back through this storm this evening. Pretty amazing how fast it snuck up on us. Here's some radar images...first from the afternoon of the 26th when the steady light snow was just overtaking the region....then going into late night and then early morning. This is a pic by Ginx of a flag like 30 feet from him...he claims it wasn't a blurry ginx pic and it was the snow intensity...impressive: RGEM model run...it looked similar to this for like the last 4-5 runs...it was a red flag for western areas...and how about kudos for nailing the band:
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Definitely...the lower elevation probably makes it a bear for downsloping on a NNE wind...you get the already larger scale shallow downslope wind from the ORH hills to the NNE and then a more severe local effect being in a relative low spot compared to east and northeast in the same town.
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You might have been getting worse downsloping in Somers than BDL. It seems just eyeballing that Somers would still be downsloping on a NNE wind as the storm progressed and winds turned...more than BDL would be. Perhaps that difference was enough to overcome the slight elevation advantage....esp with the winds being stronger and marginal temps. It was a fascinating storm for mesoscale terrain effects.
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That was the first storm that educated me on the CT Valley snow hole. I was young and ignorant back then, so I used to always think the further west you went, the more snow you got. Then we were out 2 days after the storm at the grocery store and this lady from Springfield made a comment on how they only got an inch or two of slush and I didn't believe her, but she insisted it was amazing driving from there to ORH and going from 1-2" to over 30".
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Still the best storm I have ever experienced. Had about 35" in Holden. The fact that like half of it was wet snow and tons of wind really made it unique and quite destructive. It really did a number on the coast too not much more than a year after the 1991 perfect storm.
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Nevermind, found the link.... I figured it is easier to watch the Bz than stare outside or take long exposure pics. edit: thanks for the response anyway
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Eek, Do you have the link for that image that monitors the Bz/Bt index numbers? I used it last time, but can't find it now.
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I noticed NARR updated from this past winter....this is probably the best visual of the firehose from March 7-8 That's like 800 miles long.
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Stumbled upon this last night...what a great 1-2 punch that was: http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?/topic/182826-sne-discussion-thread-for-122108-winter-storm/page__st__1480
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Its almost impossible to reconcile hail with the thermal profiles the way they were. Especially since we had seeder-feeder from above...but the OKX sounding from 00z Feb 9th does temps approaching near 0C at around 900mb (the sounding craps out above that)...the lift must have been so powerful (like straight strong convection) to lift the supercooled droplets in the low levels to form low-level RA/ZR that then got lifted into colder sounding above.
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That sounds like a real doozy.
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Alaska/Western Canada obs and discussion
ORH_wxman replied to patrick7032's topic in Central/Western States
The Nenana Ice Classic is aiming for the latest melt out on record (97 years worth). I doubt it can last to beat the 1964 date of May 20th, but 2nd place is attainable if the tripod stands another 24 hours: http://www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/ Been an amazing spring (or lack of) up there. -
This one definitely had a lot of similarities to Feb '83...I remember thinking that too when the progs were about 72h out. Up here, it under performed compared to '83 due to more advection of dry air from the north...but definitely not down in that region.
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1. NAO blocking...where will it set up? Ensembles have been pushing the blocking further west, especially starting with yesterday's runs. But its been generally on the all of the ensembles (both Euro/GEFS) for about a week now. The only difference is it was more pronounced yesterday and it seems to finally be getting closer...at least the big east based block is now inside of 10 days. There is still plenty of reason to be skeptical of the west based blocking idea. HM has brought up the stratospheric state in the North Atlantic going forward in the near-term which would try to inhibit blocking from retrograding westward into the Davis straight region. 2. Aleutian ridge reconfiguration...temporary GOA ridge retrogrades west. This is something that is also becoming a bit more clear with guidance. The temporary GOA ridge (which originally was going to be more of a +PNA, but never got far enough east) that builds for the lakes cutter next week looks to retrograde back and then feed into the Aleutian ridge building poleward again...it temporarily has been beaten down a bit which is contributing to our recent torching in the CONUS. A more poleward Aleutian ridge is going to be key for sustaining arctic intrusion into the CONUS beyond the initial shot behind the Lakes cutter. As the GOA ridge is undergoing this rebuilding, we seem to have another window for a torch in the Dec 13-15 range. 3. Snow. A poleward Aleutian ridge and a -NAO (even if east based) has historically been a very snowy pattern for New England in December. Its not a guarantee but it increases the odds quite a bit. There is a chance we don't cash in because it is impossible to predict the nuances of any given shortwave or synoptic feature, but I think you can at least count on some legit chances as we move into the week of Dec 17-24. The pattern will look a lot different 10 days from now...of course whether we actually get snow events from it or not will decide whether weenies scream boom or bust. Here's a look at the GEFS prog for Dec 17-18...the EC ensembles are not quite as enthusiastic about the NAO, but definitely still have it and the overall longwave pattern is similar. -
Well its not like you missed it in NJ.
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Those are pretty impressive pictures from PDII, you must have had at least 24" where you were looking at the reference points and where drifts might be.
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I can picture you cringing saying the hills will get more, lol.
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If Dec 2008 had happened during the work week, it prob would have given you 3 days off in a row.
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We had a ton of long duration storms in 1993-1994 and 1995-1996...but otherwise its really kind of a farce...I love to think they happen more often than they do, but then I look back and see which storms lasted long, and I realize that a lot of them were in my school days so they become more vivid because of the snow days. That is the calculator at work that Ray despises. But those long duration events do happen...last really notable one I can remember is Dec 19-21, 2008 (actually two systems...but so was 1994 so many times)...but it happened on a weekend before Xmas so it doesn't stick out in terms of disturbing work or school. The amazing part of my stories is that all the delays would be the same if they happened now...its not like I'm talking from 1972 or something and since I deal with DOT people on a regular basis, I know exactly how it would be handled in 2012...but its likely you would have had the same days off as me...the only exception might be you get back to school one day earlier in December 1992. Maybe also one day earlier in Mar 1993...but that is debatable.
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Well February vacation went in to part of the school days off. So it made it look even more impressive than the already ridiculous amount it was.
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I was lucky in getting multiple snow days in a row so many times...obviously Dec 1992...we got 2 in a row in March 1993 later that winter too even though the storm was less impactful here and ended at the same time (predawn hours Sunday morning)....but it was was still 21" of snow. But it was underforecast here like Dec 1992...they said 7-14" of snow for March 1993 and said 20" would be west of us. Then I got a dual snowdays off in Jan 1994 when we had back to back storms overrunning us on Jan 7-8 I think, i could be off a bit on the dates...the storm wasn't very memorable so that's why I could be off on the date. The day it started we got off, but we probably could have gone to school, it didn't start until about 8am...but it lasted a long time and it flipped to sleet and maybe even ZR for a time before going back to snow..long duration storm. Like a 36-40 hour deal. Then we actually got 2 days off in blizzard of 1996 even though we were too far north for the jackpot...we got crushed on Monday morning....but we already had a 20" snow pack before that storm happened...so they cancelled Tuesday even though the snow stopped around midnight that monday night into tuesday...because the sidewalks and side streets were so poorly plowed and shoveled that they had to call it.
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Ryan, that is pretty good coverage man...you were actually one of the first TV mets to go gung ho on that storm for both your market and BOS market...that was a big thing, non of the TV mets wanted to pull the trigger...but you did a pretty good job on pulling it even though it killed you to do it with Kevin's floating head in your mind, lol...just kidding. That is some good video.