LibertyBell

it did here, a year later.....on the same date?

oh lovely, I wonder if the March 2001 predictions were similar.

prank calls or crank calls ?!

same 4-5" we got here lol

we got freezing rain on the first day of the storm and 4" on the back end. Patchogue got a foot of snow on the back end. NYC public schools closing in advance was absolutely comical.

What kept the storm from being closer to the coast and/or developing sooner?

I dont think the NWS ever lived down those monster totals they predicted for the Jan 2015 storm. Good thing Jan 2016 happened to make up for it (sorry it didn't hit you also.)

Yes I was really disappointed on the 2nd day of the Dec 2003 storm because I expected a HECS on the level of Jan 1996 and it never got quite that good. It snowed lightly throughout the day and was nothing like the first day of the storm, even though it was much colder. That's when I learned that colder temps dont necessarily mean more snowfall lol. How much did EWR get in total? Anything like the 20 inches across Central Long Island? Does that sort of remind you of the last March 2018 storm that also jackpotted Central Long Island with 20 inches of snow? That Jan 2011 storm was hall of fame worthy because all the snow that fell in the first part of the storm had melted already and we somehow still got to nearly 20" in about 5 hours of snowfall! I remember thundersleet and even a tornado reported just south of Long Island (waterspout) just before the second part got underway, at the tail end of the rush hour. FWIW that might have been actual hail and not thundersleet at the start of the second part of that storm!

I always forget that late Jan 2011 storm and should have added that to my list. I remember that one also came in two parts, with around 4-5 inches in the first part and another 15 inches in the second part.

I was thinking something like what we had in December 2003 (which was also in early December) might do it, Farmingdale picked up 20" in that two day storm. Even that storm was touch and go because it was supposed to change to rain on the first day but stayed all snow with the mix line just 5 miles south of us the entire day! It made for some awesome snowfall amounts because being just north of the mix line is ideal. It dropped into the teens the next day with the storm still ongoing but the highest rates shifted east of us to central Long Island. The city ended up with 13-14 inches total with 8 inches on the first day. That was the earliest Blizzard Warning I've ever experienced and we all had a foot plus of snow between the two days.

oh wow, 63-64 must've been an amazing el nino winter! how much did we get in those two long duration storms? How much in the Dec `1959 storm?

Remember the Feb 08 SWFE? 6 inches of snow even here on the south shore!

Thats right! I now remember that blizzard we got in early January that was a bonafide blizzard! Longest true blizzard conditions since January 2016! That pattern reminded me of 1995-96 for a while until it flipped but it flipped back again just like 1996 did but not as quickly as 1996 did. In 1996 it flipped back to cold at the end of January and we had a snowy February. It didn't flip back to that until March in 2018.

well think about it this way, if the SST that far south are still in the upper 80s and low 90s, how could August SST be even warmer than that? It's probably that the temps get that hot in August and stabilize near there until October. Thats how you get cat 5s coming out of the GOM in October like Michael and also going into Central America or even into the Southeast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes#Listed_by_month 6 of them in October, almost the equal of August (7), and significantly trailing only September (21). The first Cat 5 in the historical records is actually an October hurricane. Heck, there's even a November Cat 5 in that list! Michael, Matthew, Mitch and Wilma were all famous October Cat 5s.

One of the reasons we have seen such a high usage of antianxiety pills, antidepressants, sleep meds, etc., and yet stress levels go higher and higher is because Western society is so toxic. It's every person for themselves and it can be isolating and drugs seem to be the only way to get away from the stress. Of course thats a wonderful plus for the pharma industry, which feeds off the misery of others. Most of these industries do. The rat race indeed- and we are the rats! It's a very clever way for those who built the maze to "divide and conquer!" Watch the movie Dark Waters- it's about DuPont dumping toxic waste in the waterways and ignoring when their own employees complained of high rate of birth defects. It took a class action lawsuit to uncover what DuPont had been hiding for over 50 years! They have a strong lobby, as does the rest of the chemical industry, which is why pesticides that cause brain damage in children like chlorpyrifos have been unbanned. PFOA and chlorpyrifos have been found in our blood and PFOA has been found in the blood of 99% of animals including polar bears and eagles.

Watch the new Meet the Press episode, they talked to John Kerry and Arnold Schwartzeneggar who joined together to make a bipartisan group about climate change and Arnold mentioned that California has the strongest environmental regulations and yet has the fastest growing economy too. They mentioned that job growth is fastest in the solar panel and wind power industry over everything else and people are leaving the oil fields to go work there. He also said he got many conservatives to join by framing the discussion in terms of pollution and disease (like higher asthma rates) rather than solely focusing on climate change.

Looks like the Florida Keys will be permanently underwater within a few decades- ditto parts of the Louisiana coast. https://t.co/HWaooJD5ek?amp=1

Didn't the end of November 1991 have a big snowstorm in Minnesota, similar to what's happening now? I remember reading that many are comparing the two events.

Chris, do you think this might be the single largest influencer of our climate?

what allegations, Don? we are suing the fossil fuel industry in NY, they deserve to be bankrupted after all their lies and coverups. They are a cartel that bribes politicians to curry favor with them and seizes land from people to build dangerous pipelines.

Well it looks like the NE may be getting some snow Sunday-Monday.

stuck this in the subforum also: I also think the various indices (ENSO/PDO/AO, etc.) are resulting in different outcomes and we should be very cautious when we use analogs older than about 30 years. There are some warm blobs in the oceans that seem to hang around from year to year. The gulf stream is also warming more quickly than other parts of the ocean (more bombogenesis and higher precip outcomes? we're already seeing it.)

well the history of doing this did begin in the "good ole" US of A.... after all, that is where Hitler got his ideas from.

ahh I see, FWIW I sometimes wonder what sentience really is..... and can be forms of intelligence other than biological? Consider the fossilized record of the planet a form of "memory". Perhaps in our search for ET we have to consider entities that are not biological. Not hunks of rocks per se, but things we would never consider as being "alive." Because by many definitions, something like fire can even be considered alive. I believe that the planet maintains ecological balance at any cost because that's the first law of thermodynamics and also because if it didn't life would have ceased to exist long ago. About the Gaia vs humanity thing, that cant be true either, because human beings are part of the system not against it. Mass extinctions being cases in point, have you noted how evolution explodes after a mass extinction event? The series on PBS/Nature showing how mammals started to evolve rapidly a scant 300,000 years after the Cretaceous mass extinction is a case in point. But nothing exists forever. The humanity caused mass extinction may lead to such an explosion in evolution, or it might destroy all life on the planet forever. It's too early to say which. Those of us who aren't tainted by greed and want sustainable renewables to become the new norm fight for the existence of the entire planet, but humanity's own short-sighted nature gets in the way. I do see a turning point though, where many many more voices have risen up against the status quo and perhaps a difference has been made there that will counteract all the dark money lined up against us.