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July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Yes, one of many reasons we need to end corn and soybean subsidies too. All that humidity killed almost 600 people in Chicago that summer. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
the markets should be driving it right now, but we need to get rid of subsidies first. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
The 1.5C scenario is a fictitious goal and has already been surpassed, we'll be lucky to cap it under 3.0C -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
1995: An intense heat wave affected much of the Midwest for a 4-day period beginning on this day. The worst effects of the heat were noted in the Chicago metropolitan area, where 583 people died from the heat. Temperatures across the region reached as high as 104 degrees, overnight lows on falling to the upper 70s to low 80s. Dew point temperatures in the upper 70s to low 80s created heat indexes peaking at 125 degrees. Electricity and water usage reached record levels, causing periodic outages. This was the peak of the heat in 1995, centered on Chicago (similar to how the peak of the heat in 1980 was centered on St Louis, with similar lethal results.) The high in Chicago was 106 on back to back days, Tony?? Highs: EWR: 99 (2011) NYC: 99 (1966) LGA: 98 (1966) JFK: 98 (2011) I didn't know NYC had a 99 day in 1966, did they have 5 99+ days in 1966, matching the total from 1949? Of course the heat in 1966 was more intense since 4 of those days were 100+ 2011: High humidity levels and dew points were higher during the summer 2011 compared with 2010, resulting in unusually warm nighttime temperatures. A low temperature of 81 at Richmond on July 12th was the first ever daily low of 80 and above. A steady southwest wind overnight also contributed to this event. (Ref.NWS, Wakefield, Virginia - A New Record High Minimum Temperature) I also didn't remember this early bout of heat in 2011, I thought the heat was centered around July 22-23 when we went way above 100 all around the region?? 1996: Hurricane Bertha makes landfall near Wrightsville Beach, NC with maximum winds of 105 mph, but the storm surge dealt the most devastation. The U.S. Virgin Islands, along with North Carolina, were declared federal disaster areas. Surveys indicate that Bertha damaged almost 2,500 homes on St. Thomas and St. John. For many, it was the second hit in the ten months since Hurricane Marilyn devastated the same area. The primary effects in North Carolina were to the coastal counties and included storm surge flooding and beach erosion, roof damage, piers washed away, fallen trees and damage to crops. Over 5,000 homes were damaged, mostly from storm surge. Storm total rainfall amounts ranged from 5 to 8 inches along a coastal strip from South Carolina to Maine. Overall, as many as 12 deaths resulted with 8 in the U.S. and territories. I remember this hurricane well, it was a Cat 3 just before landfall and tracked up the coast passing right over JFK! It was a weekend and I was in the Poconos, where we had 7 inches of rain! I didn't see rain like this again until Floyd came up here in 1999, ending a summer drought with 10 inches of rain in Eastern PA and NJ. 1936: The hottest three-day periods up to this time in United States history occurred beginning on this date as the average temperature was 88.5°; the second warmest such period occurred three days earlier. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History) simply wild how hot this summer truly was and widespread conus heat. 1842: One of the most severe hurricanes in the history of the coastal Carolinas struck the Outer Banks of North Carolina on the evening of the 12th into the 13th. The entire village of Portsmouth was destroyed except for one building. The storm apparently passed inland near Norfolk, VA and caused massive flooding from Virginia into Pennsylvania. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History) Tony, do you have any info on how strong this early TC was and on its track, I assume it passed inland west of us? -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
I don't think the Chinese live like peasants but I also don't think the standard of living in the US is as high as you think it is either. There are countries in Europe that have higher standards (the Nordic nations, for example.) -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
I thought the strongest WAR happens when there isn't a sea breeze? Take 1993 for example. The WAR was so strong, it came inland over NC and gave us a westerly flow for most of the summer. In recent summers, the WAR has been less strong, allowing more fronts to get hung up here and being further offshore thus causing the onshore flow. In the 90s those fronts would be hung up over the Midwest instead of here, that's why you got the Great Flood of 1993, the WAR was so strong it kept the fronts a thousand miles away from us and enveloped us in a westerly flow all summer long -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Isn't China building new coal reactors? I thought they said they planned on being net zero by 2060? -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
It's not enough, we also have a higher threshold for rain now, as the temperature rises, the saturation point rises too, thus the atmosphere can hold much more moisture before rain falls. I'm talking about removing water vapor before it reaches that threshold so we can have a less humid climate and convert all that excess water vapor into drinking water. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Yep and wars, which will proliferate. societal breakdown, mass migrations and wars, all of which we're starting to see now. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Yes but that's mainly for the UK and Nordic nations. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Why is Europe heating up so much more quickly? Is it the same reason the NW has been? Having an ocean to your west makes warming more extreme? That seems counterintuitive to me. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
This is exactly why removing water vapor from the atmosphere (and thus removing a powerful greenhouse gas) and converting it to drinking water will be much more popular. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
2010-2013 really was our most widespread hottest period, of course the NW has been heating up much faster than we have, especially in the summer. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Thorium reactors have a bright future too. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
100% agree, some of those African and Asian countries are run by third world thugs and don't give a shit about the environment and are trying to drive local species extinct with their inherent greed. They should not be allowed to repeat the same mistakes that more advanced nations have made. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Yes and much better weather, sunnier, less humid, etc. We were lucky to get four summers in a row like that from 2010-2013 By the way, you left out 1980, 1991 and 2002, those were some dry and hot summers too!!! Could also add in 1944, 1948, 1949 and 1953 although that's before my time lol. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Interesting how JFK is running 0.7 degrees hotter than NYC. By the way today and tomorrow are Manhattanhenge days!! -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
I'm just glad the sun is finally here. -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
possibly also nuclear testing, there was a big cluster of heat between 1944 and 1955 that could be linked to testing of nuclear weapons (both fission and fusion.) -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Nature is the final arbiter of all of the mistakes of humanity. Those mistakes are finally erased when the people who made those mistakes are all dead.... -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Wait, Don, who cut down the trees at Easter Island? I thought only natives live there-- it's one of the most isolated places on the entire planet. If we are on that trajectory, we might not have Venus level greenhouse warming, but we'll likely get at least partway there. Is having the current generation of rich people die off going to be enough to end fossil fuels? I don't see anyone who is under 40 who would want to support or even run a fossil fuel company, so maybe we will be finally done with them when everyone who is currently over the age of 40 is dead? -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
ear Rank Days >= 100 °F 1911 1 4 a very hot summer, I wonder if NYC was similarly hot and had 100+ days in 1911 too? -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Year Rank Days >= 95 °F 1949 1 14 1944 2 12 2018 3 9 1983 3 9 1955 3 9 2021 6 8 1953 6 8 1911 6 8 2022 9 7 2002 9 7 These years do match up with NYC well, what was going on in `1911 (the year before 1912 that we were discussing) that caused 4 100+ days in Boston in 1911? Didn't NYC also have a very hot summer with 100+ days in 1911 too? -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
very similar to JFK and NYC, 2010, 2002, 1991 and 1983 place prominently in the top 5! 1983 1 30 1955 2 28 2002 3 27 1991 3 27 2010 5 25 -
July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Our society is just too dependent on fossil fuels. Even with lessening of emissions as fuel, there is still the matter of plastic being created from toxic petrochemicals. The fossil fuel cartel does not want to be retired from existence, there's just too much money in it. We will probably eventually be completely done with it, but I don't foresee that happening for the next 50 years.