LibertyBell

la nina or el nino? snowy decembers usually portend well for us either way (see 2002-03).

spring birds have been here for a few days and already pairing up and building nests.

the new england forum is a little anal retentive, although I find it interesting how they don't have as much conflict in north vs south, inland vs coast, even though they cover a much larger area.

https://thestarryeye.typepad.com/weather/2013/01/new-york-city-snowstorms-1979-2011-.html March 1, 1914- Rain in the morning changed to snow around lunchtime and by midnight 13.5" had accumulated (an additional inch fell after midnight on 3/2). It was a very heavy, wet snow with a high water content (2.65") until around 9 PM when Arctic air moved in. This was the century's first snowstorm of a foot or more, and the first since February 1899, when 16 inches piled up. This remains the longest period between snowstorms of 12 inches or more. So interesting the first footer of the 1900s didn't happen until 1914.

1990-91 was a much more interesting winter than this one and probably warmer too.... that February 26, 1991 snowstorm was my favorite between February 1983 and January 1996.

https://thestarryeye.typepad.com/weather/2013/02/today-in-new-york-weather-history-february-26.html 1991 (Tuesday) A surprise snowstorm dumped 8.9" of wet snow, the biggest accumulation in eight years (when 17.6" buried the City on Feb. 11-12, 1983). Because the temperature was just above freezing for much of the day, the snow didn't accumulate much on the streets or sidewalks. This was the winter's third snowfall of five inches or more. https://thestarryeye.typepad.com/weather/2013/01/new-york-city-snowstorms-1979-2011-.html Feb. 26, 1991 - A surprise snowstorm dumped 8.9" of wet snow, the biggest accumulation in eight years (since 17.6" buried the City in on Feb. 11-12, 1983 ). Because the temperature was just above freezing for much of the day the snow didn't accumulate much on the streets or sidewalks. This was the winter's third snowfall of five inches or more.

For the cyclic snowfall people, this site details them well. https://thestarryeye.typepad.com/weather/2015/03/an-extraordinarily-snowy-21st-century.html 40 inches of snow is considered a hefty amount for a New York winter, a total that's about 50% above average. Over the years, winters with this much snow have occurred once every four years. This average, however, masks extended periods with and without snowy winters. For example, winters between 1873 and 1923 averaged snowfall of 40 inches or more once every three years, but then the 24-year period that followed (between 1924 and 1947) had just one snowy winter. More recently there was a 26-year period between 1968 and 1993 that also had just one. Most recently, New York found itself in the midst of an abundance of snowy winters, the most recent being the winter of 2017-18. Specifically, nine of the sixteen winters between 2003-2018 had 40 inches or more of snow, an unprecedented concentration (including four winters in a row). Of the five winters that didn't see this much, three were well below average (under 13") and the other two picked up an average amount of snow. (The three winters after 2018 have each had less than 40", but winter 2020-21 came close, with 38.6" measured.) PEAKS & VALLEYS OF WINTERS WITH 40 INCHES+ SNOWFALL # of # of Winters % with Time Period Winters 40"+ Snow 40"+ Snow All Winters 152 36 24% 1870-1872 3 0 0% 1873-1923 51 17 33% 1924-1947 24 1 4% 1948-1967 20 6 30% 1968-1993 26 1 4% 1994-2002 9 2 22% 2003-2018 16 9 56% Source: NWS New York Office

Lows: EWR: 8 (1990) NYC: 7 (1990) LGA: 9 (1990) JFK: 9 (1990) A wild cold spell, it would be in the 80s 2 weeks later Did we get any snow accumulations in any of the below storms? Also didn't we have a 36 hour snowstorm on this date in 1991? 1990 - Unseasonably cold weather followed in the wake of the winter storm in the northeastern U.S. Ten cities reported record low temperatures for the date, including Syracuse NY with a reading of 10 degrees below zero. Freezing temperatures in southeastern Virginia caused considerable damage to plants and fruit trees. The barometric pressure reading of 30.88 inches at Wilmington NC was February record for that location. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 2004 - A major snowstorm dumps up to 20 inches of snow in the Charlotte metropolitan area. Charlotte's third largest snowstorm on record accumulates 11.6 inches at the airport. a wild cold spell, it would be in the 80s 2 weeks later

was this the 36 hour snowstorm? it only snowed between Newark and Long Island, north south east west of there no snow....

I think we did have this a few weeks ago lol-- it looks VERY familiar....

Tony, looks like one last chance for a big storm (rain, mixed or snow) March 8-9 weekend?

I grew up near Coney Island (Sheepshead Bay) and I definitely noticed the similarities in the late 70s and early 80s.

1857 and before then in the 1780s We don't really need AI for this stuff......

and 15,000 years later it's still there!!

It might have been colder in 1857 we don't know because of no official records however there was a day in January 1857 that was reported to be the only day on which the high temperature was below zero. Before that it was colder in the 1780s.

I think JFK was at the lower end of the totals with 12.0. I'm not sure that the transition is all that smooth since there were some storms in which the extreme south shore did better. edit-- for western Nassau county the 12.0 line does go right down to the water, so it does seem to be accurate for here.

The 6-12 probably should be more like 10-15 but they don't use that gradation, JFK was on the lower end of the totals, there weren't any reports of under 12.0 anywhere around here. edit-- for western Nassau county the 12.0 line does go right down to the water, so it does seem to be accurate for here.

Jersey Shore times 10 too lol

Yes in the models that were used lower monsoonal rainfalls were one of the predicted side effects of this. However, the big fossil fuel companies want it to happen since they think they will be off the hook and will be able to keep burning fossil fuels at the current rate. Either way, we'll have problems. The fossil fuel companies have their bases covered either way because even if less fossil fuels are used for energy they are themselves transitioning to using them in producing more plastics via petrochemicals. We are just starting to use plant based biodegradable plastics so hopefully we can cut them off at the pass.

No it's a pretty cheap thing to do. Experiments have already been conducted via balloons carrying these substances in the SW. I read that even island nations like Indonesia can do it. Their survival is at stake because island nations will be the first to go underwater with sea level rise. There is controversy surrounding it because the only other solution would be to relocate millions of people (and Indonesia is highly populated) to another nation. Australia doesn't want to take them in from what I've read. Any fool who doesn't believe that this has happening only has to look at what's been going on in these Pacific islands in terms of sea level rise and also sunny day flooding in Miami, Charleston and even the south shore of Long Island. Sea level rise is asymmetric and affects some coastal areas more than others. Gulf coast and east coast of the CONUS are affected much more than the west coast (for example.) We've already been relocating people from islands off the Louisiana coast.

I mean those are planned starting in 2030 to lower or stabilize the temperatures.

This and those fertilizers I mentioned that cause toxic algae blooms in the summer.

all kinds of issues with this, we are screwing up our waterways. Fertilizers washing down into them is another one, it causes those toxic algae blooms in the summer.

We were in the 80s multiple times in the first week or so of November, could we hit that again in March?

What a great storm! Outside of the March 1888 blizzard (which is ancient history), was the snowicane our latest 20 inch snowstorm in NYC history, Tony?