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This topic very easily wades into politics, but in reality, politics are not even supposed to be discussed at this board. We are really bending the rule in here sometimes. The blame game for covid has been done for like 9 months. What good does it do at this point? We know what's up. People are pretty well set in their ways. We have an administration that is on the way out and we need to figure out some way to curb this mess and not just wait around for the vaccine.

That is a really irresponsible statement. I could understand if someone has a terminal illness and doesn't have much time left anyway, but otherwise...

I'd almost rather take my chances with covid than eating Stove Top stuffing... or any stuffing. I could eat the other traditional Thanksgiving foods all day long.

They both have risk, but imo the home gatherings are more risky than the trip to the grocery store. Homes are more confined and people tend to let their guard down around people they know. Plus, for Thanksgiving, you are typically in somebody's home for 3, 4, 5 hours, if not more.

He did it all for the turkey, the turkey.

I'm not terrified to leave the house, but I do have the sense that the virus is swarming and coming to get us all, especially in the northern states.

It was 48k on Nov 2, so about a 25k increase in 2 weeks.

73k hospitalizations now nationwide. Hate to say it but 100k looks well within the realm of possibility by the end of this month.

My cousin says her hospital is on bypass, which basically means that they are out of room and not accepting more patients.

Was looking at the ICU data for Indiana, and the number of people in ICU with covid is starting to get closer to the number in ICU for all other causes. Not very close yet (749 in ICU with covid and 842 in ICU for something else) but it may only be a matter of time. At no point in the pandemic have there been more covid patients in ICU than non-covid patients, but it got very close back in April.

Angrysummons, you really ought to cut it out with the mutate your genes posts. I have been more than fair up to this point. If you still choose to maintain those views yourself, so be it. I'm not the thought police.

I was looking at it a different way. About 12%, or roughly 1 in 8 who received the placebo and got infected developed severe covid. We don't even have 8 total infections in the group who received the vaccine.

This is an important aspect of the vaccine... how effective will it be at preventing serious/hospital level illness? We are dealing with pretty small numbers of infections on the placebo and vax sides (11 severe out of 90 infections for the placebo and 0 severe out of 5 infections for the vaccine) so the jury is still out on that one.

The covid denialism is so bad that some people who are dying from covid refuse to acknowledge they are dying from covid. https://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-er-nurse-recalls-151800579.html

Look, nobody is forcing you to be in this thread if you don't like how it is run. You are a valuable contributor so I hope you'll stay. I am usually pretty hands off and let the discussion flow as long as it is reasonably on topic. We had a poster questioning one particular vaccine, not all vaccines, which is not a typical anti-vaxxer stance. I think the pushback was good and informative.

Namecalling and personal insults don't accomplish anything. All you can do is present information to the "anti people" and hope they change their minds. The earlier episode about Pfizer actually turned into an enlightening discussion about vaccines. I knew next to nothing about vaccine minutiae and I learned some stuff from the links that were posted.

Be nice, people.

Based on attitudes, we can probably already predict that the United States will take longer to get this under control than just about any other major Western nation.

I guess. It appears it's going to be prioritized to healthcare workers and higher risk people first, but if the country is sitting on an unused supply, maybe it would open up to the rest of the general public more quickly?

Let's root for the GFS for Thanksgiving. A good chunk of this sub would at least be able to have the windows open.

Based on opinion polls, there's a lot of skepticism about the covid vaccine, but I wonder how the news about 90%+ efficacy could affect people's calculations. There's many factors though, like somebody's stance on vaccines overall, age/vulnerability, whether they know someone who has become seriously ill or died from covid, etc.

North Dakota put in a mask mandate.

Nice

Oh yeah, there has certainly been blowback from the right on Republican governors. We just had a Libertarian gubernatorial candidate finish in double digits in Indiana, which is a big showing for a third party. And that was after Gov Holcomb reopened everything in the state with the mask mandate being the only thing left in place, so there is dissatisfaction coming from that direction. I'm saying that I never saw tweets from Trump and co. that went after Holcomb for his restrictions. It seems like some kind of obsession has developed over Whitmer and one or two others.

Notice how they only tweet that kind of stuff at Democratic governors. We had all of the restrictions in Indiana back in spring, with a Republican governor, and there wasn't a peep out of them.