hardypalmguy

2 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

From the new England forum, it appears December starts cold before a few weeks flip to milder then colder and stormier towards Christmas. 

December will disappoint you in the Great Lakes if you want snow.

Yikes, this week's big "cooldown" vaporized like Sarah Connor in the opening scene of Terminator 2.  Like I said, modest cooldown this week, then back to regularly scheduled torch.

On 11/17/2023 at 3:09 PM, TheClimateChanger said:

Are the palms still unprotected?

Yup still out and free.  These saw 19 degrees with the Halloween storm.  Several more nights in the low to mid 20s.

41 minutes ago, buckeye said:

30 years ago

MKE recently has turned into Cincinnati-lite climatewise.

Big ridge moves in after day 10.

Looks like a modest cooldown next week, then warming up significantly with possible torch conditions as we approach middle of December.

yeah, I’m def seeing zero evidence whatsoever for a cold Dec. GEFS looked quite toasty, especially come second week of Dec

29 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

The Lake Michigan shoreline has been in zone 6b for decades. Although hey, I would take it in a heartbeat over colder and less snow farther inland lol.

1990 USDA zone map had all of SW MI in zone 5.

10 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Nothing Trollmartie says is important enough to acknowledge.

Yeah, zone 7 appearing in Michigan for first time ever is a nothingburger. 

6 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

You have to keep in mind he is not a weather enthusiast or even a climate change enthusiast. He is here for nothing more than constant trolling, since he knows the lakes forum does not have mods who would ban him as they would in any other subforum. There's about one poster who takes any of his outrageous posts seriously.

I've posted nothing but backed up facts regarding the USDA zone changes and how the long range models look.  You're rhetoric is because you want an echo chamber of groupthink.

What? That I can enjoy more boat-n-beach days, and fewer sled-n-ski days? Did I miss something? What's the scary reality in that? Summers of 13/14/15 were horrible. Could hardly find a decent day to enjoy our wonderful GL's. I fail to see any "wow factor" in the drum you continually beat. And I'm a gardener at heart, so I appreciate your hobby and how much effort you put into that awesome tropical look. I just see a lot of wishful thinking that FL climo is suddenly going to pounce on yby without a sudden shift of the poles - that's actually a much scarier prospect tbh. Now back to looking at the impending cold December on tap..  

It’s designated zone 7a for a reason. There are criteria that need to be met. Even Florida has seen below zero weather in the past.

You guys are grasping at straws to not accept the new reality coming.

  whatever dude.  That zoom in is ridiculous and you know it.  SW MI is not the same as St. Louis and Cincinnati zone.   

6 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Fascinating. When I brought up plant hardiness zone changes recently, I had no idea USDA was publishing a new update today. I took a look and it has some areas of 7A now in western Pennsylvania along the Ohio River, with a more substantial area extending into southern Ohio. If you compare that to the 2012 map, there were only a few isolated areas of 7A in the lower elevations of southern West Virginia and eastern Kentucky. The solid 7A zone was way down in central and southern Tennessee, so that is a remarkable northward shift over a decade. Would expect it to continue marching northward into northern Ohio by the early 2030s, and probably extending along the lakeshore even further north.

I think in the 1990 map, the boundary of Zone 7 was in northern Alabama, perhaps far southern Tennessee. So in just 30 years, we have seen Zone 7's northern terminus shift from northern Alabama into south central Ohio.

That strip in SW MI/NW IN could be 8a in 10 years.

40 minutes ago, Lightning said:

 

NOPE

 

 

Forgot to zoom in, eh?

31 minutes ago, Lightning said:

USDA site says NOPE:

 

Forget to zoom?

New USDA zone maps came out and I've been upgraded to zone 6a, and I see zone 7a emerging on the SW shore of Lake Michigan in SW Michigan.  Windmill palms are rated down to zone 7.  It's coming quicker than we think.  @TheClimateChanger

11 hours ago, bowtie` said:

Things you do not expect to see, even this far south during the second week of November...

 

climate change.  SW michigan is zone 7 now per just released USDA map.

It's certainly been an excellent year for palm growing in the MKE area.
Looking at average mean temperatures through November 13, this year is in third place, just 0.2F below 2021 & 2012 in first place.

By mean minimum temperature, it has been the second warmest on record and just 0.2F below the record set in 1921.

By contrast, we can see the mean minimum temperature over the same interval in 1875 was more than 12F colder than this year (and only a couple degrees above freezing):

Looking at the coldest years, we can find several where the mean average temperature was lower than the mean minimum temperature this year:

One thing that always strikes me when looking at this data... we can see it's warmed about 12 degrees from 1875 to 2023, yet they are always claiming its warmed 1 or 2 degrees. The math just isn't mathing for me. You have to do a whole lot of smoothing and poor fitting of data to come to that conclusion.
 

Ready to torch. No sight of winter in long range.

I’ve never seen him say we aren’t warming. The problem is that you greatly exaggerate the warming as a way to troll as that is obviously your main goal here.

I can’t speak for Michsnowfreak but I’m pretty sure the only thing he denies is your greatly exaggerated and ridiculous claims that have no support while he backs up everything he says with actual data. 

22 minutes ago, Powerball said:

To each his/her own.

The food itself is not fancy or gourmet, but it's about the entire experience. At In-N-Out, you always get excellent customer service, fresh food and the lines are fast. The prices are also relatively low.

Culver's is good too, but a lot of its food (besides the Ice Cream) is frozen/prepackaged, service can be inconsistent and it's more expensive.

But regardless, we're still a long ways off before In-N-Out's palm trees can survive a Great Lakes winter.

Palms are already surviving in Cincinnati, OH unprotected per my zone pushing groups I am a member of.  That's a pretty far north push.

For Michsnowfreak and other deniers on our warmer and wetter climate that is happening fast in last 20 years. Stop seeing the extra snow which is only happening because we have good temp padding (to start) in a warmer and wetter climate. Once we reach that tipping point of liquid to frozen predominance we will quickly crash in yearly snowfall totals in the future.

MKE avg high in January is already tickling 32. That means December and February already average way into the 30s for highs. Those months will be the first to see snow averages crash.

https://fox11online.com/weather/weather-stories/warmer-wetter-winters-a-preview-to-patrick-powells-2023-winter-weather-forecast-national-oceanic-atmospheric-administration-arctic-green-bay-jet-stream?fbclid=IwAR0Cyuq69rWJu1DC-J9IEn5W54buYmw_DsCKH5fDEt6VDR3JHuZPFvc_aVo_aem_ASQvL06fjJVw8wd3pqVUVS7SxyweszA_ShuMkeQoVH-4oQ82q3hLsd2SzJp4_wJeFvI

1 hour ago, A-L-E-K said:

as anyone who lives along the lake knows, the water in lake michigan already looks tropical clear and blue when winds are calm thanks to the mussels, the palms are gonna look so natural in this setting. 

yup, the mussels are turning the water crystal clear.  doesn't look like lake water anymore.