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For Eastern LI folks. Courtesy of NE forum.

I wonder if this dip is considered the return of blocking from December before we go positive?

I agree that we would likely head to a typical Feb la Nina look. But of course that does not mean a shut out, just less than average February snowfall.

My bad stemwinder. Nice catch. Yeah do not remember the last one other than 2000. You would think there would be more with ridging in the Atlantic.

Yup in 2000 Raleigh NC had their largest snowfall in history while we changed to rain. Was more of a sidewinder than a SE slider though. My point is just there is a fear of the SE ridge. Now, if areas to the south of us stopped snowing and breaking records I would agree we are in trouble, but as long as we still have se sliders we can still snow.

Now if we want to talk about not looking at modeling and turning to our environment... One MET in the NE forum went against the models and said that since certain birds were still around it would be a warm winter. Amazingly he turned out right. My dad who is 82 and has seen many winters told me in December that he was not changing the oil in his snow thrower as he had a feeling it was going to be a dud winter. Has seen this before. This was back in early December. I am not a nature person, but makes you wonder.....

Seems to not hurt some areas to the south of us. Check this out from last year. It's more la Nina cutter or slider than SE ridge warming the entire east coast. https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2021/02/27/delaware-has-new-daily-snow-depth-record-snowfall-greenwood-delaware-national-weather-service/6850318002/

Yeah we may have to wait a few years for the water temps to back off. SE ridge will remain but it's not unbeatable. Remember in December the SE ridge was beaten down by the historic "cutter" so much so that the follow up wave had no chance and slid off the SE Coast. If we cut a strong cutter (not as historic) the SE ridge can HELP us in pushing the follow up wave up the coast/provide more moisture. Remember this SE ridge did nothing to stop the Delmarva and Virginia, south of us, from having a historic snowfall winter last year. If nothing else, it's just a standard la Nina look with cutters and SE sliders. We just need the Cutter to be the right strength to all for the slider to gain enough latitude.

Remember though we are talking February with cold air finally in the US. We have a far better chance of scoring in a weak follow up wave (January 2012) than we do now where there is no Arctic source. It doe not look like a "good" snow pattern, but it does not look like a shut out either. We NEED a strong cutter to make it happen .

Now, I know everyone will say that we have seen the RNA take over all winter so why expect this to change? Maybe it will now that it's February and we have shorter wavelengths

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True BUT the GEFS went less hostile with a movement towards what the EPA was showing. 1. They both trended towards each other. 2. looks like a la Nina pattern with Blocking. Now, this can result in one of two ways, 1. The RNA is too deep and we are 50 to 60 and rainy, similar to last December. 2. The RNA is average and we have a few change over events. What I want, either 1. Blocking disappears and we have a nice torch of 60 to 70 weather with sun 2. We have enough blocking for some fun, especially with shorter wavelengths Let's see what happens

Hey if Central Park is going to break the record, THIS is how I hope it pans out. Just like last year and most winters we fail, the south racks up. Would be funny no? Delmarva the middle Atlantic buffalo

Maybe we can at least get the 84 corridor back in the game

Maybe the WAR gets this a bit further west? Eastern LI keep watching.

Lol I was just thinking this morning about what his expectations are for next year.

I wonder how many times the AO was -4 or lower in December that it DID NOT return later that Winter?

Lol was just thinking, this December was a typical 80s style fail and this January is a typical 90s style fail.

Agree. Also WRT your AGW comment, I feel like if I do not acknowledge AGW in a post about the past I ruffle feathers for some reason. That should never be the case though. I too believe that we are warming for a couple of reasons, but I disagree with some who believe we are in a new era and we are the next Miami (I hope someone does not feel the need to reply and argue my opinion). We will have another great period again in the future just hope we do not wait 30 years again

I think the 90s are a better comparison cold wise.

EXACTLY I lived through the 80s and 90s and the past 5 years (this included) reminds me 100% of those. I feel like 2000 through 2018 has warped the view of a lot of trackers who started this century. 90s had only 2 above average snowfall winters and a LOT of absolute torches. 80s had one winter, believe 87, where everything was south of us and we were cold, however I distinctly remember extremely warm months and almost never getting a snow day and complaining to my parents. In my mind, we are reverting back to the 30 year 70s 80s and 90s and it's a shock to the system. Probably how trackers felt after the snow blitz of the 1960s. So in my mind, expecting 2 to 3 above average snowfall seasons over next ten years. WE WILL have another great period like this century and the 60s, just hope we do not have to wait as long!

Go figure, the Atlantic is on fire yet the southern coast (last year Delmarva) or the cape/Eastern LI (continuously for years) benefit from it. We need an El Nino bad.

The WAR failed us on the third storm in December, watch it fail us now too. It either secures a rainy scenario or allows for an offshore track. This is just one of those winters.