dseagull

See, I enjoy having conversations with you. We can agree on certain topics and have a discussion and challenge each other on the topics we don't see eye to eye with. That is scientific debate....healthy and productive debate, which also sparks an interest to research opposing viewpoints. If done amongst the scientific community, this has the potential to result in solutions, rather than a divided room of people who sling insults at one another. Many things can be true at the same time. The insinuation that people with opposing viewpoints are "insane" and should be locked away in a padded room is simply wrong... This is America. History is an important part of everything, including science. Censorship and persecution don't belong in the scientific community. The statements made in some of the previous posts aren't scientific. They ate display of unwillingness to have a conversation. They are disturbing, and as I suggested, are a part of an entirely different underlying issue.

What is a "climate denier?" Do they exist? I'm pretty sure everyone acknowledges that the climate changes. When people sling insults and make assertions that they are of "higher knowledge," it is often indicative of some underlying issues. What you post is both unproductive and abhorrent, but seems to be a trend among those who align with "settled science." I'm not going to feed your appetite for an angry form of divisive debate. I assume you are an American, and although I don't know you, I'll treat you as my neighbor. As such, I'll pray for you, because what you wrote in the above posts is EXTREMELY disturbing. Good luck.

Incorrect. You suggested locking human beings away, under the guise of insanity, simply because they have questions. Ok, got it.... I have an idea. Let's make sure there's enough food and water in a padded wall room, and then lock ChecoWx in it for simply questioning why certain data was adjusted. Even though he didn't say that it was done with a a hidden agenda, let's not take any chances. We can't have people questioning our "settled science," especially if it was settled by a government agency. Sorry, ChescoWx.... Banished be you.

Let me get this straight... You are suggesting that those who question or challenge the conclusions that a government entity came to, be institutionalized? That's terrifying for those of us who have served and those who love America. Should the many thousands of scientists that stand apart from the IPCC also be thrown into some padded wall cells? Why not, right? How about anyone who doesn't agree with everything you believe? See the slippery slope here? Good luck, comrade... tough times ahead.

So what is the answer? Trust and agree with anything that is presented to you? Not challenge it? That's not scientific. Declaring that no agenda exists is also denying that human nature does exist. As for number 5, "Humans are the primary cause of said warming," I'm not even sure how to respond to that. That's a pompous and "all-knowing" declaration. Its also the same human nature that you previously and conveniently discarded in (3.) We are not at the center of the universe and the cause for everything, as is human nature to believe. Good grief.

Questioning everything and forming and testing hypothesis is a crucial part of both the scientific method and science itself. This is particularly true when we have a plethora of examples of how "science" has been weaponized to push a narrative (usually for financial or political gain,) in historical text and recent memory. Questioning keeps people honest, and it also helps stimulate the scientific community and keep healthy conversation and debate front and center. Ignore the insults and continue to do research as you see fit. Many of the world's greatest scientists were often not only criticized, but also censored and even persecuted. (I don't think I need to list pages of examples here, as I'm sure anyone who visits this page can think of dozens themselves.) Skepticism is HEALTHY, so long as data is not manipulated or skewed. When a government entity funds or forms an agency of science, people should NEVER accept their scientific arguments as gospel. Distrust of NOAA is nothing more than distrust in those who operate the agency itself, and it certainly doesn't qualify one as a "science denier." I enjoy reading your posts and your scientific suggestions. Keep doing what you do, and ignore the insuations that you are a "science denier," (whatever the hell that is....) The insults will continue from those who are wired to follow and fall into line, rather than question. The poster who suggested you shove a thermometer up your bum seems like an angry human, perhaps because he has his head lodged up his own bum.

I love over-performing, multi-foot snow showers!

(In regards to the constant mainstream/regional news media and social media posts that have become more frequent and prevalent, concerning long range forecasts...NOT ON WEATHER FORUMS, WITHIN DISCUSSIONS.) Sensationalism sells better than crack in the hood in the 80s... Why? Because it acts on the same neurotransmitters as many drugs. Fear, excitement, extremes, and crisis... They all sell. This is why media and government work hand in hand in a world where everyone now has a communication device within arm's reach at all times. Propaganda aside, it is easy to reach everyone and gain clicks (profits) at any given time. This is a tragedy for science, and clearly society as a whole. A byproduct (not always intentional) of modern communication is that it is inherently less difficult to sway opinions or even control a narrative. It is certainly easier to gain a following (more clicks) if you can throw a hail Mary and convert. If you miss the mark, there's another chance to redeem yourself with the next forecast. People have short term memories. It's easy to see why many professional meteorologists from another era are now frustrated. It's cringeworthy, even for weather hobbyists. But... (speaking for myself,) we are also captivated, and find ourselves logging on to Tropical Tidbits and other sites almost obsessively leading up to weather events that have a chance of verifying. Because of this, we should understand how this media frenzy works, even better than most. It's a wild science within itself. Are weather events really much more Extreme? Or... do we have better means of observing and measuring them? We have only been able to accurately and methodically measure and record events within the past 200 years. We have only been present to record data for a very short period of time. I believe that we need to keep all of these factors in mind. Constants (baselines) are not available for us to draw comparisons or draw concrete conclusions. While WE may be able to keep this in mind, 99.9% of the public are only consuming what is fed to them in short bursts, whether that be social media, news media, or even gossip around the water cooler...The vast majority of consumers of internet "news" articles rarely read past a headline and perhaps a few sentences into said articles...it's dangerous, in that this broadcasted information is less about conveying real facts and forecasts, and more about profits, through sensationalism and the resulting clicks. This is my general interpretation of the scenario that we see playing out. Twenty to thirty years ago, most people never had access to to this volume of information. Eventually, individuals and journalists discovered a way to profit off of everything/anything that captivates a broad audience. I feel truly sympathetic towards the real METS. It must be deeply frustrating for them.

I spent many years with the Army Corps of Engineers as a hydrographic survey captain and technician. About a year into Covid, a myriad of changes occurred and I began to realize that there were more opportunities for me to better enjoy my life and to capitalize off of my skills as a captain with a 200 ton license. I wanted to spend less time traveling with an inefficient and ineffective governmental agency, and more time doing work that I did not vehemently oppose. Let's put it this way.... I watched the government change over the years, evolving into something that was no longer for me. During that time, I did however operate many state of the art vessels and learn waterways and regions that I otherwise would not have, year round. When the mandates and work from home began, many of us were left working in the field, but our data was often a waste, because processors were no longer fulfilling their duties. It became busy work, rather than work with a purpose. But I digress. With my credentials and knowledge of on-water operations, I began searching for new work. It didn't take long. I took a position running a commercial towing and salvage operation. From assisting boaters during the summer that find themselves in a pickle, to assisting first responders and actually saving lives on several occasions, I found my new calling. The paychecks were also acceptable, in conjunction with the real estate I have acquired over the years. On my days off, I still am a fishing guide on my personal boats. I also do long transport of vessels up and down the East Coast during the winter, along with one or two commercial tows a week during the same winter months. When I'm not working, I'm hunting with my dog and spending time with family. It's a dream job for someone who is wired like myself. I get to enjoy the short time we are afforded in a lifetime, and I get to help people in a different way than the Corps allowed me to. Retirement has never appealed to me. I'd lose my mind. I appreciate those who can do desk work. I know I never could. If I'm not outside for most of the day, I'm not fulfilled. I've always been into meteorology and science in general. No better way to study it than to experience it in all its forms in many different regions. Sorry for the long response. It's been an adventure.

It's a fascinating field, and I still have no regrets obtaining a degree that I never turned into a PhD. Unfortunately, the professions in the field would have never afforded me the financial means I desired and my ability to travel as much as I want. It's still enjoyable to study, especially when you're an insomniac. Or in today's case (or this winter for that matter,) when it won't stop raining long enough to get work done.

The dynamics are so complex, that I believe it would require records that have been kept for millenia. It's very difficult to draw conclusions with what little data we have. Even with carbon dating in ice cores, we only get a small snapshot of what is going on in an insanely long geological period. Then again, the science of observing and predicting weather wouldn't likely be so enjoyable if we had all of the answers. When I went to school for oceanography, I was quickly humbled.

I will retrieve my logbook when I finally get moving today. Been fighting a bug for a few days. But, you would be correct with the 2014-2015 winter. I had between 29 and 30 one morning, from Absecon Inlet to Manasquan Inlet for the duration of the trip. I remember that morning well. I had to knock ice off the hull several times as it built up. It was a still morning, so my transducer was constantly in slush. I didn't drop any instruments to see what the stratification was like. Warmest was in Cape May, but I don't remember it as well. Summer SST are much more variable, due to upwelling events and proximity to inlets and rivers. For bay water, I have exceeded 90 many times. For the ocean within 3 miles, I can only remember achieving 85-86 a few times. Offshore, in the Norfolk canyon, we came very near 90 when an insane eddy broke off the GS. Marlin Heaven, no tuna. I should take the time to input some of my data at one point. This would ultimately be a difficult task because my data isn't consistent, since I travel so often. The USGS site is great for looking at logs from individual stations. I can guide you through accessing this information, if you don't already do so. Time for a cup of coffee and off to haul the rig. The bug going around is no joke. Be well.

Generally, February always has the coldest nearshore temps. I have kept logs for many years. They are handwritten, however. Eventually, I'll enter them into excel. However, we are normally about 35-38 early February. Some years with the PV dislodging, we have slush in the surf zone. Keep in mind, this is within 3 miles in the near coastal zone. The back bays at least had skim ice this year, as compared to last year.

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Did a 126 mile round trip yesterday. Surface temperatures were generally 39-41 degrees, with a moderate breeze from the south. Obviously, upwelling isn't a factor in the near coastal zone during the winter, as the water is well mixed and no thermocline exists until you reach the 20 or 30 fathom line. This is considerably warmer than average for the beginning of February. Gannets are still raining down like missiles on small schools of Atlantic herring and Boston mackerel. Otherwise, it's a barren time of year. I'll have a mate on the boat for my next job and will collect some good shots for all to enjoy. Until then, it's time to fix my auto pilot and and address a generator issue.

Put simply... Weather is more than just snow, and shifting patterns are equally enjoyable to track. (Coming from someone who works outdoors on the water every single day.)

Bigger, stronger, and more centralized "one world" government is not going to fix the problem you describe. I notice you also advocate for giving the U.S. federal government more executive powers. Please pick up some history books and discover for yourself how this story ends.

Field Trials. I'll have one of his pups from the 1st pick of his litter this spring, god willing. Passion of mine. I'm outdoors all of the time for work. He keeps me outdoors during winter. Emogi stuff doesn't bother me in and of itself. I just logged on and noticed someone meticulously went back through all of my posts and posted a hot dog on pists over a year old. Funny I guess, but also borderline creepy that someone would take the time to do that over the course of several days, with a given amount per day. I'll drop it. Just irked me. In other news, I'm going to be doing work about 60 miles offshore tomorrow. Looking forward to getting back out for the first time since the last blow.

So, just for informative purposes.... (because clearly the weenies are stacking up...,) what does that reaction mean? Am I unwelcome here for sharing photos of enjoyment in the snow? I always assumed that discussions that strayed from like-minded opinions were unwelcome here, but sheesh. I've learned a lot here, as have others from my companies. Guess I'll go on my weenie-way. Good luck all!

Given the fact that we may not see another snow event in awhile, I decided to take advantage of the remaining snow cover in Pemberton, NJ today. I had a phenomenal day hunting Partridge and Pheasant with my four-legged hunting buddy and best pal. Lots of great memories made in a wintry setting and some of my favorite table fare outside of seafood. It's an amazing thing being able to enjoy a snowfall for several days after an event. Also, does anybody know why my notifications are constantly filled with "reactions," that are of a hot dog? I assume this is the weenie thing? Someone either doesn't like me much or is hitting on me? Strange stuff.

Snow never lasts long in the back yard, but looking towards LBI and IBSP when the sky starts clearing but flakes are still flying is always fun. From this angle, you are looking at Old Barney.

4.3-4.5 on the day. Was fun. Now it's windy and cold. Cheers til February delivering a KU

Snow for lunch

Nice wintry feel. Perfect little system for good wintry vibes.

Dad is a weather enthusiast still at 81. He has the snow board going. Closing in on 4 inches in Salem County.