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I've touched on this subject quite a bit the last two years, but now that we're down to the last three weeks I thought it would be a good time to review where NYC, Central Park specifically, stands in the quest for a 30 inch snowfall average when the new 30 year averages are calculated next month. For those not aware how it works the 30 year snowfall averages will be calculated for the period from January 1991 through December 2020. In short this will mean say goodbye to the 1980's from the averages, which hold the record as the least snowiest decade recorded. Assuming NOAA calculates the averages for each month by rounding up or down to the nearest tenth of an inch, the months who have their 30 years completed look as follows: October..........0.1 November.....0.5 December.....4.9 (29 year avg) final number to be determined January.........8.7 February......10.1 March............5.0 April..............0.4 May..................T The 30 year average calculated now would be 29.7 inches. To get December to a 5.2 average, or in this case 5.15 which should round up to 5.2, Central Park will need to record 11.3 inches of snow this December, which is what will be needed to get the 30 year average to 30.0 inches. Currently the December 1991 -2020 period averages 4.773 inches which would round to 4.8 and would make the 30 year average 29.6 inches if no snow falls this December. Here's to hoping that if Wednesday is indeed a surprise heavy snowfall for the city, the Conservancy? doesn't measure 11.2 inches and leave us hanging for the rest of the month. Any interested parties please check the above numbers. And we wait for the final returns.

Sun angle coming into play now. I had to say it just so it's been said. Can we agree that we will all be pleasantly surprised if those words are not uttered again in this forum. I accumulated snow on May 9th last year in the middle of the afternoon. I'm pretty sure the sun was up that afternoon, although with all those clouds and snow impeding visibility who can really be certain.

0.9 inches on the board here. 31.8° and down to light snow.

32.0° on the nose and yes Rob the flakes are the largest of the season, as the biggest snowfall of the season continues.This may surpass the storm of May 9th, or even the upcoming Met winter, if the October snows lead to a crappy winter theme continues. Officially 0.7 inches on the board.

Down to 32.4° with moderate steady snow. Sticking to trees and grassy areas now and looking winter like.

Down to 32.4° with moderate steady snow. Sticking to trees and grassy areas now and looking winter like, which is always nice. So most of us will end up only having to go from May 10 to October 29th without seeing measurable snow. Amazing when you consider what went on during most of last Winter. We shouldn't even refer to it as winter, it was just an extended Fall. Let's hope for once another accumulating October snow doesn't lead to a crappy Winter. These always leave me feeling uneasy because I've seen this script end in disaster too many times.

32.7° and Snowing moderately. Temps have dropped 4 degrees since 5:30 Beginning to stick to deck and some grassy areas.

32.9° and Snowing moderately and I'm only 45 miles north of NYC. Beginning to stick to deck and some grassy areas.

47 this morning. An inch of Snow and snow squalls second week in May and a hard freeze in mid May. I’ll sign for this spring every year. Maybe without the Pandemic, riots, and social unrest. Maybe next year I spend spring in Chaz?

I agree. I hit 31.8° this morning, we may challenge that again tonight, but I think the nights of freezing are done for this spring after that.

I haven’t seen accumulating snow in May since May 9-10 1977 event which was very interesting. After one of the lousiest winters ever I feel I’m owed this. I don’t include others because I’m not quite sure if everyone is in on May snow. Personally I’d welcome snow in June just for the record books.

Bottomed out at 27.8° this morning, the third day in row below 30.

Did you get any accumulation last night Rob? I heard reports on other boards of 3-4 inches in the vicinity of Middletown.

33.6° and snowing, no accumulation. Went back and forth between rain and snow all night, nothing sticking, ten to fifteen miles to my NW 3-4 inches. The final parting insult to the worst winter ever.

I checked the records at Poughkeepsie airport yesterday which go back to 1933 for temperatures. There is only one winter since 1933 that the temperature did not go below 5° and in that winter (1952/53) it got down to 6°. We are in pretty uncharted waters here regarding the mild winter temperatures.

My low so far for this season is 5.1°. I believe this may be the first season ever the temperature never got below 5°. If it doesn't happen by March 15th it's not happening, and I don't see anything upcoming to make that happen.

I forget who it was that said several days ago that the Tug Hill was having a bad year. My response was 150-200 inches in a season is a bad year for them. Looks like their season will be improving. Just checked back a page. It was Animal, the man who declared, it's over. I wholeheartedly agree.

I received 24.9 inches in 15/16 but probably all of our difference there was the 11.2 inches I received being on the northern fringe (for 3-4 hours until the heavier bands rotated out) of the Jan 23 2016 storm. I know places 25 miles north of me received 0 from that storm and one of my kids 30 miles south in NNJ received 30 inches. In 2011/12 it was 29.2 inches, 16 of it from the October storm, 4.7 on Jan 21, 3.0 on Feb 24 and 2.7 on Feb 29th. All other events were an inch or less. That was very close to this season on the stinker scale, along with 2015/16

I'm currently at 20.5 so this would now rank as my worst winter accumulation wise in the ten years I've kept complete records. Add in the abnormally high temperatures and so far it has to rank as a top 3 stinker of all time. However as Julian alluded too, I'm pretty sure there will be several inches somewhere along the line in March or April that will take me above my all time recorded low of 24.9 in 2015/16. Anyone have records from 2001/02? I'm thinking that season had to be less than 20 inches around here. I blanked that season out completely, as I hopefully will do regarding this season in time.

Where you relocating? We have a lot of family in north Georgia, Alpharetta, Canton, Cumming and Jasper. Great area if you’re still looking. Isn’t a horrible season in the tug hill 150-200 inches? I feel terrible for them, thoughts and prayers.

When events can't even live up to the very low bar of less than an inch it speaks volumes.

My response to your map is in the same spirit as you drew the map. Just having fun.

If snow falls in the forest and there's no one there to measure it before it melts, did it really fall? The decision should have been an easy one. I hope you made the right one.

Beautiful pictures, beautiful area. I stayed in North Conway and finally made it to the Mt. Washington summit this summer, incredible place. Stop in the Mt. Washington museum in North Conway if you get a chance and haven't been, it's a weather enthusiasts paradise. They still have stuff running this time of year that takes you up to 4,000 feet on Mt. Washington? If so I'll have to add that to the bucket list. I also got to the summit of Whiteface mountain near Lake Placid last September, another worthwhile trip. Leaves were at their peak in the valley and past peak above 3,000 feet, and pretty much leafless over 4,000 feet. On a clear day you can see presidential range from the peak.

21.1° and flurrying, add 0.5 inches of snow last night which now brings the seasonal to an even 20 inches. 12 inches of snow on December 2-3 and 8 inches since then in 7 separate events. What started so promising has turned into a nightmare of a winter.