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in other words sunscreen and installs

Sweden tried socialism back in the last century. They really had that utopian vision of paradise everyone dreams about. Then, they (the people) realized how quickly they were going broke and how unsustainable it all was. They were on the brink of collapse. Luckily they were still a democracy and were able to turn away from the failed experiment and avoid the police state and gulags. Swedes don’t have the stomach for real socialism it turns out. We do have this new breed of socialist now…lightweight socialists. They tend to like or even own vineyards and drink Prosecco. They’ve never once set foot in a socialist country and have no clue what socialism looks like. I am likely one of the very few people on this board who's been to any socialist states. Multiple, pre wall socialist states. The real thing. There was no Prosecco.

If you’re not afraid of socialism, you can’t be afraid of anything. Humans don’t do well under socialism. People have different desires, whims, goals, tastes, religions, etc. and socialism doesn’t allow for that, so you get concentration camps and gulags. Like in China and North Korea. Everyone is supposed to be equal (poor), or more equal (the communist party members). there is a lot of heavy industry up there in the nordics, and Norway is as much a petro state as any with few peers. The largest gas rigs on esrth are norwegian. Also, Sweden has the second highest per capita murder rate in Europe. Behind Albania. Paradise is elsewhere.

Uh...you should see what socialism does to the environment...Chernobyl anyone? I'vealso seen eastern Europe prior to the wall coming down and - and China are not exactly Thunberg adherents. The State comes before all else and no fs given about climate. They are building coal plants still like no other place on earth! its gross in China. I've been there too.

A lot of 'industrial' farming has gone no till actually.

organic farming is about 30% productive vs. industrial farming. Organic is wholly unsustainable for the global population. Agree on the pollinators tho. thats effed up and a threat. the bugs are dying.

yeah millions woops. I'll edit my post

except the population is growing in excess of 8 billion. Yes we have new disease threats, and also ways to mitigate them, and increasingly so. Flawed argument dude.

not even close. We used to die of tooth infections and scratches. A zit could kill you in the middle ages, nevermind poxes and malnutrition.

Modern agriculture and global transportation are huge factors, You could argue industrialization began when humans began farming and genetically modify crops through selective breeding thousands of years ago. Maybe a stretch, but populations started to take off then.

It's an interesting point. There were constant severe and crippling famines prior to industrialization that wiped out entire cultures throughout millennia of human history. Humans/homo sapiens tend to be less prosperous and less prolific during cold periods, and more prosperous during warm periods, and it's never been more the case than right now. In fact, you could argue that the climate prior to industrialization was hostile to human prosperity, and that industrialization mitigated climate hostility to an extraordinary degree. Humans have proved adaptable and resilient (there was a point in deep history where there supposedly less than 10K of our ancestors remained for example), so we will likely manage earths heating until the next Milankovitch cycle set to kick off in about 10 to 15 thousand years from now. Ice ages tend to be killers, so that is a bigger threat to humanity vs. the CC now - nothing grows on ice. Then we have about 500 to 750mm years to survive through until the earth becomes entirely uninhabitable by any life forms due to the sun's increasing size and radiance. It will boil off the atmosphere and oceans, etc. Life on earth will only span about 1/3 of it's history. The only thing that will get mankind through these events is even more extraordinary technology - including interstellar type stuff. None of the rocks within the Kuiper Belt will be options. So in terms of climate, the long term prospects for humans depend on getting through the forthcoming ice age cycles (there are dozens remaining before the curtain closes) and then getting off this rock. By comparison, agio climate change affects are a mere river crossing. It may be that industrialization and technology are the only way humans would ever stand a chance long term, so it's like a catch 22. Of course, any number of things can wipe us out in the meantime - disease, nuclear war, a space rock, incredible volcanism...I worry more about those esp. for within my lifetime, remote as some of them are. Good luck!

Depends how much co2 and water vapor these guys vent into space this week. I guess

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I hit 77.1 so far

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