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So what’s your point? That Portsmouth is colder than Long Island? Lol…that’s a shocker. I get your saying that there’s a gradient, but the fact that SNE can’t seem to get some precip in here, isn’t a temp problem imo.

Just one run of course, but 6z gefs never gets the ridge to roll over all the way to the east coast. And now has another well defined trough swing through around the 18-19th. EPS has that trough around the 18th also, but not as deep and focused a little to our west. If the WPO ridge shifts west and weakens, I would make sense for us to go more zonal, but that can keeps getting kicked.

Sorry southern fokes about banter. No, but it sounds great! Come on out and meet me! Lowland crew hike lol

30 / 11 and likely only going down from here. Overall cold the next 10 days with the coldest today Dec 8 , Dec 13 - 17. Perhaps a period of snow showers/ rain showers Wed during brief warmup. Then arctic front arrives Fri pm - Sat with the next shot at light snow / snow squalsl /showrs, otherwise a generally dry period. Moderation by the 18th still on most forecasts and into the Christmas week.

Well if you only go back to 2020 for sure....but 2010-2019 was snowier than the 70's / 80's / 90's....would you believe the 1970's were the least snowy decade?? I do because it never snowed in the 1970's in Philly!

Off topic but have you ever gone to flag ponds nature park in calvert? North of the cliffs so worse for snow today, but gorgeous trails with huge trees, and less people.

Yeah I am doubting a 973mb low through the straits.

as we used to do Elizabeth farms for trees, it got a bit out of hand. Another suggestion for those of you that enjoy the whole tree hunting experience. Texter Mtn Pines. they do the wagon rides and you can pull a tree sled on wheels, or just drag it...whatever suits your style. Just did it saturday w/ wife, son, DIL, my grandson and grandpup. Very fun experience and tons of beautiful trees.

GFS has the Canadian models agreeing with it, the euro is a bit north but would still hit the northern suburbs, the mesoscale models like the NAM and HRRR are the ones far to the north.

I’m convinced you guys don’t go outside at all and look at the world around you. Sad. “Meteorologists”— just model junkies tied to computers with no bearing of observations.

Really? So everybody around you in every direction gets snow, but SNE doesn’t, and that’s the new norm? Laughable. Fast flow or not, everybody/every area seems to benefit from it…but SNE? That’s just Bad frieken luck. Richmond VA will probably have a seasons worth of snow by mid week. Fast flow doesn’t seem to be hurting them? Mid west is buried. Plains buried. This was the 80’s. They sucked for winter, and They’re back. 2-4” in the 80’s was a good storm. 3-6” was very significant. And 4-8”’was a HECS. Well 40 plus years later we’ve come full circle. Embrace the suck. At some point it will change…and swing back. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

1 here right now, still looking for our 1st below 0 low. got about 15 minutes to get it, until the sun is really up.

Richmond has had 2 events now. Big winter for them even if nothing else happens rest of the way

After midnight highs today. This happens quite a bit with Arctic fronts. Some of the great Arctic outbreaks from 77 to 94 would have had lower daily maxes if the front was just a little faster. SXUS51 KOKX 080557 OSOOKX New York City Metropolitan Area Weather Roundup National Weather Service New York NY 100 AM EST MON DEC 08 2025 CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS Central Park PTCLDY 38 24 57 VRB7 30.05R WCI 33 LaGuardia Arpt PTCLDY 40 21 46 W16G23 30.03R WCI 31 Kennedy Intl PTCLDY 37 27 67 W9 30.05R WCI 30 Newark Liberty PTCLDY 37 25 61 W8 30.04S WCI 31 Teterboro Arpt PTCLDY 36 25 64 W7 30.03S WCI 30 Bronx Lehman C N/A 37 27 65 W6 N/A WCI 33 Queens College N/A 39 27 60 W9 N/A WCI 33 Breezy Point N/A 37 N/A N/A W12 N/A WCI 30 Brooklyn Coll N/A 39 28 65 W10 N/A WCI 32 Staten Island N/A 36 28 75 W6 N/A WCI 31

My Saturday night TV line up as a kid in the 70’s: Emergency! Mary Tyler Moore The Bob Newhart Show And if I was lucky, I got to stay up for Carol Burnett’s monologue

Nice little early season snow event for North Carolina and Virginia. Wish it was here but happy for them.

Still BN there in Islip though.

32 and snow here in Forest, maybe a half inch? Here was the temp spike in Lynchburg from the clouds..

No it’s more than that. Past three day we’re running like 5F-7F colder. As I said, there’s been a very significant seasonal gradient persistent for more than just one storm/pack. Highs past three days: PSM: 23, 34, 36 Islip NY: 36, 45, 46

There's some wind now where earlier nothing was moving. Up to 37*; I’m guessing (hoping) the wind is the cold air moving in?

Cul de sac and my driveway starting to cave. Getting close to the freezing mark now down to 32.7

Short range has gone away from the bands coming in later. Can't say I'm surprised.

Today's high temperatures have already occurred. They were above freezing for just about everyone.

Classic GFS v Euro battle for the Tue/Wed system here. Either 4-6” of snow or 34 and rain.

On Christmas? In 2015 when it was humid and 70, I was sweating my balls off. I’ll pass on that.