Thank you for that and I think you are too. Actually you illustrate his point in this post to me. Posting that map without explaining or discussing the fact that it may be starting to show a pattern change and not a verbatim solution tends to mislead those trying to learn. You and I know it will not happen as depicted others do not. If you've read my posts you know I like to have fun but we need to keep the disco thread clean and the 300 plus GFS maps are pretty much meaningless for anything other than trends. I learned everything I know about how to read these maps from listening to guys like Weathernc,WOW,grit CR, Queencity ,HKYWx,downeast,pack, Burger , many others and they will too.