powderfreak

88/70 Ho-Lee-Fuk make it stop. All-Time July temp pace right now. If you aren’t swimming in a pool or river, you are swimming in your own sweat.

Fair enough. If folks associate more with the maritime influenced spots than they do the interior continental air, they do have a strong period of record to lean on at BOS.

Ha, I guess my issue with BOS is that it's not indicative of the air mass like most other stations. It's more indicative of wind direction. Like if we are having a discussion about how hot a summer is and using BOS... it's like your house is on fire but you open the refrigerator door and huddle in the opening thinking, this fire isn't *that* hot . ORH at 1,000ft has the same average high so far as BOS (84F) but ORH is like +6 while BOS is only +3. BDL is also at +6 on July so far. We are +6.1 up here for July so far, it's just widespread absolute record heater so far for July. I like using ORH and BDL because you get the elevation differences and its in the heart of SNE. Even though it's only halfway through the month, both ORH and BDL are on pace to have their hottest July's ever if this sustains itself. ORH's highest July average temp is 75.9F in 1911 (think that was at a much lower elevation too).... and so far this year is 76.1F at 1,000ft. BDL's record July is 2019 at 78.2F and so far this year is 79.8F. Of course, it's incredibly hard to sustain record warmth so I'd bet against it, but looking across the region there are a lot of sites pacing at a record July level through the first two weeks. On the flip side with BOS, I'd think the same thing if it was November and ORH and BDL were -3F while BOS was average because the wind direction was unfavorable and kept them more in the mild maritime air, while the interior was solidly cold. We'd call that a cold month and it would be hard to use BOS as a reason to say it wasn't chilly.

Ha you feel strongly about this. I just don’t think using BOS as a barometer makes much sense unless you’re out there literally on the water. BOS just isn’t indicative of the air mass as much as it is the wind direction. Its been a very hot summer so far.

Looking at the obs, relatively it’s still a warm air mass to be 82-83F all afternoon with 5-10kts out of the east directly off the Atlantic. That’s probably a 90F if the wind was west all day instead of east.

All it took for BOS to hit the high for the day was a fart out of the west at 8:30pm. The heat is present and nearby. It’s just getting staved off by the ocean. Some years the ocean does a better job than others. So using BOS as a barometer is a bit tricky when two years with the same general air mass could produce two wildly different number of 90F highs because the wind was a bit different.

BOS is all about wind direction and the water. It’s not a representative site to use to describe anything but that specific spot IMO. Any wind off the Atlantic will give you a maritime type air mass while everyone else is continental. Maybe they had more westerly flow in 2022? Look what just happened… Easterly component (SE wind) and temps in mid-70s. However the second the wind got a westerly direction involved, the temp has shot back up to 84F at 8:30pm.

High was 84F though anyway. You guys gotta look at the 5-min temps to really get the story.

Maybe that’s why they are scrutinized? All I know is most of the time when Dendy or Scoots or Will calls them out over the years they are usually right.

Yeah, it’s easy to spot if a station changes its long term “pecking order”… that’s what causes the questions. But there’s still the vast majority of stations that never get mentioned or questioned.

Just because someone questions something to me doesn’t mean it’s a complaint. DAW and BDL are the main ones… BDL siting issues. But still, out of like 40 stations in New England that’s maybe 6 that at one point someone might have mentioned? BOS doesn’t seem questioned, it’s just the siting on the water. I don’t know, I read the forum just like you and I don’t get that opinion that every site is wrong. Most of it seems justified when Dendrite and Coastal discuss.

Really? There are like 30+ ASOS in the region and we only hear about like 3 of them. No one talks about all the ones that are fine.

Seems pretty well documented on here that DAW runs a tick or so warm. No biggie but something to keep in mind when using it.

I was down in Bedford, NH today unloading the largest U-Haul you can rent…helping my sister and brother-in-law move in. Nice and tropical day to move. Some real nice neighborhoods in there. Driving back north in Manchester, was surprised at how low the Merrimack River was. Sand bars and rock bands visible.

That is pretty crazy.

Yeah seemed weak even when they issued it but decided to go down with the ship entirely, ha. Guess it’s not a great look to cancel it then even risk getting one pixel of a town blown out in heavy rain… but models have t had much outside of one or two HRRR runs 36 hours out.

A little over zealous from what happened up north and the multiple flash floods around last summer? I feel like the NWS offices are more aware of the rains the past couple summers when high PWATS and dews are around.

Should’ve started a thread last night and feel bad spamming the thread with random social media damage shots. But it’s crazy what these short-term flash flood events can do.

I’m not willing to jump on that train but given that it’s just easier for the atmosphere to get warmer than it is colder right now… seems possible.

Ok fair enough. Just drops down to normal I guess, which is a relief from the torch. Just wild to me how far our goalposts have moved these summers. We used to look for “relief” from those nights in the 60s. Now it’s like oh, thank god we might touch the normal min for a couple nights.

I mean I’m not even talking about Synoptics or even anyone on here… just that local METS are now forced to pimp “relief” as mid-60s lows. Normal mins right now are 64F at BDL and 62F at ORH. This new climate regime makes something approaching “normal” summer weather feel like it's some cool crisp Canadian airmass. ”Look at those lows in the 60s!!”

It’s tough when we are celebrating lows in the mid-60s, to be honest.

River is still high and muddy but here’s a comparison pic from our lawn from last night to today. It’s about 10-12 feet lower than it was at 11pm last night.

Make it stop.

It’s crazy I lived here for so many years without really thinking of flash flooding… but now these events are like almost becoming normal. The Winooski River at Waterbury has had 3 of its top 4 crests in the last calendar year. That’s insane. Irene still is the top mark though.