michsnowfreak

19 hours ago, weatherbo said:

It's Beavis getting even for all the warm talk in the middle of winter.  It ruined the whole season. 

 

I agree lol. Not that it ruined the season. But there was way too much severe talk in winter. I'm just surprised rather than a snow thread or something it's a wind chill thread that's going strong lol.

4 hours ago, zinski1990 said:

Better not be another trough next weekend. So sick of this crappy weather. Tired of baseball games practices being cancelled or being held in 45 degrees with a breeze. Don't think I've ever seen a pattern last this long and of course it's always weather nobody wants. Why couldn't this come in winter? It's like winters are calm storms missing everyone to south then to above normal temps with ugly spring every year

If we had this pattern in winter the snow would be in Dixie lol. This is very anamolous cold.

7 hours ago, luckyweather said:

The situation in 1936 was pretty unique though - that was the heart of the dirty thirties and really the capstone summer of the dust bowl.  That years heat as the plains baked created a runaway feedback loop.  Farming and land management are so different in the plains, I can't say that heat won't be rivaled, but it will be for different reasons if it is.  

I hope we don't see a summer like that - I remember as a kid my great grandma telling me how her and my grandpa had to sleep outside in Forest Park in St. Louis every night for nearly a month with hundreds of others because it was too hot to sleep indoors.  

Agree. The summer of 1936 actually had several cool downs thrown in there. If you look at the daily figures, we have had many summers that aren't remembered as too hot that didnt include those kind of cool downs. But the heatwaves were so intense and deadly, especially the July one, that I cant see them happening again. 

Also, being such a fan of climate data, I am not a fan of doing things like "well 1936 had a cold spring and look at that summer" in trying to find an analogue. Because while that may be true, I can find years where cold springs meant cold summers. In the weather....you can always find an example of something, but it never totally replicates itself. 

On 4/4/2018 at 4:07 PM, Hoosier said:

They do get some massive close-in busts though.  I remember a storm a few years ago when the Euro had like 3 feet of snow for NYC a day or two before and I think it went east.

They bust all the time. NYC busted multiple times this winter alone. It's just never talked about outside of there because it doesn't grab headlines as much as an actual storm does. 

1 hour ago, Stebo said:

How did 2010 play out month to month, because I feel this winter mirrored that a bit.

I'm wondering if it did mirror 2010 in Toronto. Not so much here.

In 2009-10 we had no snow in Nov and just a trace in March. Slightly below avg snow in dec and Jan, and well above avg in Feb. The net result was an average season in terms of total snowfall.

In 2017-18 we had several days with flurries in Oct and Nov but nothing measurable. Slightly below avg snow in Jan, near avg snow in Mar and well above avg snow in Dec and Feb. The net result is a well above avg season in total snowfall.

3 hours ago, snowstormcanuck said:

Essentially 2 full cold-weather months without any synoptic snow. Really unfathomable.

March and November?

I'd say a C seems fair for Toronto. It would be ridiculous to compare to 2011-12 though lmao. 

I'd give this winter a B+ here as it stands now. Met winter was an absolute solid A, but Nov had no measurable snow (despite numerous days with flakes in late Oct and Nov) and Mar has been complete zzzz after it roared in like a windy snowy lion on the first day, so that is why I go B+. With unseasonable cold looming to start April, if the pattern produces snow-wise here, I could easily go up to A-.

I went outside at work. Definitely a dimmer light but it wasnt really much to see up here. I did get Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart stuck in my head all day though lol. April 8, 2024 we will be much closer to path of totality. That can be a gray time of year though.

On Tue Mar 28 2017 at 7:37 PM, Trent said:

Yeah. It hasn't been a good decade for snow here at all. CLE is running almost a 100" snowfall deficit the past 6 seasons, which is pretty incredible. To put that into perspective, if CLE had 16 more 6" snowstorms the past 6 seasons, there'd still be a deficit!

16-17    33.7" Deficit
15-16    35.4" Deficit
14-15    1.1" Deficit
13-14    17.9" Surplus
12-13    16.5" Deficit
11-12     29.3" Deficit
Total    98.1" Deficit

That's crazy. At Detroit the total since 2011-12 is a 33.0" surplus. Going back to 2007-08, the last 10 years, Detroit has a surplus of 112.4"! That's assuming this season is done which it may not be. Does anyone have the avg for Toledo? I'd like to see their stats in that time frame. I know chicago is definitely a surplus but probably not quite as high.

FYI the lowest back to back winters here was 1936-37 & 1937-38 with a total of 35.5" (12.9, all time lowest, followed by 22.6).

They pretty much did. Winter 13/14 was snowy, but just nickel and dimes here. Largest storm that winter was 5.5" on December 14, 2013. There hasn't really been anything noteworthy the past few years. Sure, it's been cold, but big storms have been non existent.

Wow, I didnt realize that. Thats crazy.

It's now up to 306 days since CLE last had an inch of snow fall. Just a brutal snowless stretch thus far.

CLE is certainly well over due for a big synoptic storm. We've been shut out the past few years considering the pattern the Midwest and East Coast were in. Perhaps we can get a thread the needle type storm this winter.

I loved last years tundra winter of deep snow, but outside of the massive Feb 1st snowstorm there werent really any big storms. Now 2013-14 on the other hand, that winter was a haven for one snowstorm after another, We had 6 storms over 6"+ here (4 of the 6 were over 8") so its crazy if Cleveland missed all of them.

the bigger the weenie the more likely to be a denier

I rarely get into the subject because of how hardcore and nasty some of the "deniers" and "alarmists" are. I just love to point out ridiculous predictions about a certain region when they already fall by the wayside. People would take climate change more seriously if those ridiculous statememts werent made.

But whatever. Ive never been more happy with my climate than as it is right now. So I guess if that makes me a denier sobeit

That is what has put this winter in rare territory... snow on top of snow etc. SREF mean is almost up to 6" for CLE. Quite a few members above that as well.

Yup, and 2 winters in a row no less!

Compelling information about manipulation of temperature values.

Chicago to Boston historic snows which means that's global warming and if they were having a snow drought it would be global warming.

Speaking on THIS BOLDED POINT and THIS POINT...ONLY...not talking about, denying or agreeing with ANYTHING else.....not global temps, not local temps, not anything...(lol need to have a disclaimer before you post anything in this thread).

With but a few stinkers, we have been on an unprecedented run of snowy winters here in the southern Great Lakes (and the northeast as well) since the turn of this century. Its one thing to have a great year or two, but its a stretch unmatched in the local climate record, average is no longer "average". And I have heard numerous sources attribute it to AGW with numerous explanations as to why. And I have never before seen as many cold snowstorms as we have had recently (so none of this, ohhh its just cold enough to snow, so more moisture). Well in the 1990s and early 2000s I cant tell you how many stories I read state that local effects of AGW in this region would mean snowmobiling and winter recreation would become extinct, kids will grow up in the northern US and not know what winter is blah blah blah. My absolute FAVORITE, and yes Ive brought it up before, was from the late 1990s that by 2020 winters in MI would resemble 1990s KY.

Fixed!

 

LAST summer was the summer straight from hell.

+10000000000

Great throwbacks mj! I was 9, so memories are kind of vague...but I DO remember it was the first summer in the new house and my parents were excited we had central AC (used room ACs in the old house) and the previous summer had been so hot....yet we barely used it at all. Julys hottest temp was 83F at DTW. Yes, that was the HOTTEST temp ALL of JULY! That is something that had never happened in any previous JJA month I record I believe. My sisters 1st birthday was July 18th and pics from her party (not sure of the actual date of party) show a billowy overcast sky (no rain though), extremely lush green grass, and people wearing light jackets in the middle of the day.

You know, I hear all this talk about how STL's climate is changing at a much faster pace than cities to the north like Detroit. I decided to look up some stuff for myself.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=cli_archive

~8 of STLs 10 warmest winters happened BEFORE 1932!

STL's running average snowfall is HIGHER now than it was from the 1930s-1970s

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=avgsnow

STLs avg mean temp is indeed warmer now than it has been previously...about a whopping 0.2F warmer than it was in the early 1940s

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/?n=avgtmp

STL and DTW are obviously 2 very different climates to begin with, and STL has not seen the increase in snow the last decade DTW has, but this is the same for both cities - Biggest period of snowlessness would be the 1930s-1950s, biggest period of anamalous cold the 1970s.

There is no bigger contamination to the climate record, of ANY city in the midwest/northeast USA who have had records since the 1870s.....than the cold period of the 1960s-1980s, centered HEAVILY on the 1970s.

This was spun off from the "Lakes/OV region".... He tries to work AGW into just about every discussion on the sub-forum and I thought I would spare them another round by diverting discussion to this thread.

There are several posters who try and work agw into every single discussion in there, and that is not the place for it.

You mean you love snow so much you can't emotionally handle the changes taking place. So you will do anything to cirmcumvent discussing Climo at all that isn't a fantasy analog like 1978 or 1994.

But we can't talk about Climo changes.

This is amazing, what justification do you have for this?

Exactly. He loves snow, not what a mean temperature is. The only changes taking place where he lives, from a SNOW perspective, is that snowfall seems to be INCREASING, if the last decade is any indication.

Wanna look up Spring/Summer Temp trends ?

Cuz I'm pretty sure the warming will be much more visible in that data along with overall yearly temperature trends..

Spring yes, Summer no. But thats not the point. Its a very valid reason that he picked January because it was said by someone to "look up" how Januarys near this latitude have been getting "way warmer" in recent decades...which is in fact...completely wrong.

Really nice gallery!

Valdez reporting a snow depth of 81".

Valdez is already the snowiest city in the US (avg 326") yet they are getting record snow for them. Meanwhile, the continental 48 so far this season has seen below to much below normal snowfall nearly across the board.