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A Hudson high acts to compress the flow in a way similar to a block! It’s why there is a whole subset of snows I found when breaking them down that look a lot like (looks up) THAT! Problem is they’ve gone extinct lately! This setup used to work a lot! Lately they seem to all end up warm or north. But I guess we can roll the dice again. Had to work eventually right?

Like I said to CAPE NW loses its advantage if it’s too warm when it’s warm! When it’s truly cold the odds of a wave hitting here v DC or Richmond is pretty even. I used to her more (and state college) because it used to snow in bad patterns a lot more up here. I can list sooo many 3-5” snows during pac puke warm regimes that were rain for 95. Those have gone away, hence our advantage is significantly muted. Not gone. I still her more. But recently the spread between here and CAPE isn’t as big as it once was. Same phenomenon is affecting state college. You have to get up into New England to get steady snows doing bad patterns now.

I don’t think the phenomenon is purely Nina. You’re right WRT average places SE or 95 are doing better. But the issue is the season places NW had an advantage wasn’t in cold patterns. When it’s arctic cold the odds of you getting snow are actually similar to me! I might eke out slightly more from upslope but it’s negligible. The reason I average so much more is because I’m supposed to have a HuGE advantage RIGHT NOW! Today is supposed to be a rainstorm for 95 and a 3-4” snow up here. The advantage here is in bad patterns we eke out snows that 95 SE can’t! But the last 10 years those aren’t happening. In bad patterns it’s so warm lately they don’t work! So we snow the same amount as you when it’s cold and we don’t snow at all just like you when it’s warm.

I think that was another where I got a slight accumulation but noted in my head “what happened this should have been 3-5” why was it 34 degree slop” Was discussing this with @HighStakes the other day. He notices it too. Recently things that used to break into these little wet snow events up here are 35 degree rain. We’ve noticed so many examples the last 10 Years it’s kinda hard to keep sticking our head in the sand, especially when it coincides with our snowfall suddenly declining!

So you think it’s a coincidence that our snowfall has been declining at a proportional rate perfectly correlated to our temperature increase over the last 100 years. We don’t need some long winded anecdotal BS where you cherry pick a low snowfall period (like the 1950s) to THINk you proved something because you project your own stupidity and lack of comprehension of short term variability within long term trends. I realize all of that went over your head because you’re a moron. We don’t have to debate that part, we all know you’re a moron since we’ve seen your posts for years. So just answer yes or no.

@CAPE I have my own records for 21 years and used a local coop to put together Manchester snow stats going back 70 years. We’ve had more under 20” winters in the last 10 years than we did in the 60 years before! Getting less than 20” used to be unheard of up here, a once every 15 year thing, now it happens every other winter! Similar to how getting less than 10” was once a rare thing in Baltimore and now happens commonly. Looking at my snow data the obvious culprit up here is there used to be a ton of 32-33 degree wet snows from storms that were all rain in DC/Baltimore. Most weren’t huge. A lot of 2-5” type things. I remember some. One was a 3.5” storm in Feb 2013 very similar to this. No cold. Pac puke pattern. Highs near 50 that week. Some weak wave slid by with like .45 qpf and it flipped to 33 degree snow and we got 3.5” of wet slop. Only up on the ridge. Even in town for only 2 and Westminster like 1”. Nothing south of there. Super marginal. This strikes me as the same exact type thing only slightly warmer so…I’m 34.7 right now and raining! Those little 33 degree 3-4” wet snows are missing and there why suddenly my bad winters up here are 17” instead of 27”

This area up here can, or at least used to, snow in some pretty nefarious setups. It’s why I averaged 40 and DC only 15! I don’t think I average 40 anymore. Maybe 35 now. It’s finally affecting up here now too!

Maybe you’re right I was mostly focused on this area up here. But there were examples recently for 95. One in 2021. Around the super Bowl. Perfect track little wave. I eeked out 6” of super wet snow up here and 95 was 34-35 during the heavy precip with white rain. They were in the cold sector. The boundary was juts 1-2f too warm. That was better example for 95. This one is a lost snow for up here

It depends where. Even in 1970 this was unlikely to be much snow south of DC and SE of the fall line. But even with this weaker low solution it’s close enough for places like Resiterstown, Frederick, Westminster, Parkton… I think it’s frankly a no brainer that these areas lost some snow. Was it 1” or 3” I dunno. But it’s so close that any colder at all would have made a difference. And we know it was colder. I don’t think it’s that complicated. And we know we are losing snow. The numbers bear it out. Our snowfall is declining. So we know for a fact we’re losing some storms. This one seems like a no brainer at least for my area. My wet bulb is 33. I’m going to he raining with a boundary layer of 33-34 for like 5 hours doing which about .3 qpf falls. That’s so marginal any colder at all and I’d be getting 2-3”. Maybe I do get 2” it’s close, but then any colder and it would have been 4”! Either way I am losing some snow today because it’s warmer. Because this is a perfect example of a borderline temp event where it’s going to tip barely too warm in 2026 and so likely would have tipped cold enough at some point in the past. I dunno if that point is 2000 or 1970 or 1950 or 1930 but at some point this would have been snow, at least up here.

The sounding is from 6pm. This would have always had to start as rain with the boundary temps. But places NW of the fall line in MD definitely would have had 2-3” of snow if it was 50 years ago. Up here I might eke out 1” maybe and it could have been 3-4” if it was 2f colder.

This is my sounding Chuck. STF up about the PNA because with the pna it’s going to be 33-35 during the rain. And it’s warmed 2f since 1970. This would have been a 3-4” snow event 50 years ago. The PNA isn’t the problem the problem is the boundary has warmed 2 degrees and right now it’s 2 degrees too warm! That has nothing to do with the pna. This ended up being a perfect example for my book. A storm we lost due to warming.

I want my 2 degrees back damnit!

It’s JB come On

But I don’t think our luck has changed. We always missed more than won with those. We need multiple things to come together and usually 1 or 2 factors F it up. And we say what if. But you can do that with everything. Look at 2010? What if that second Feb 9 storm doesn’t phase as fast. That’s a rare example when a phase capture on a miller b happened flawlessly. What if the Dec 2009 storm didn’t phase? The only storm that winter that was clean and simple was the Feb 5 one. We easily could have missed the other 2! Luck in cold patterns is what it is. We win some we lose some. We haven’t had a cold Nino in a long time so it’s hard to say we’re getting unlucky. We need to see what happens when we time up a -AO with a El Niño! If we manage not to snow then it’s uh oh! Where we are definitely losing now is marginal temp events. Even up here they are breaking warm more!

So serious analysis. It’s close. Boundary temps are the only issue. Places NW of 95 in MD are at 34-35 during the height of the storm with .25-.35 qpf across guidance now. If the storm were to amp say 2mb deeper and that became .5 qpf it would be enough to flip to a 1-3” snow. 4mb and .75 qpf and its a 3-5” wet snow! It’s that close. The track is perfect. But our temps are torched at the surface so we need a stronger storm to max dynamic cooling 2 degrees more than current progs. How likely is this? 10-20%. Getting that amount of error isn’t unlikely but unfortunately it’s more likely to be in the other direction. Models have a slight over amp bias and a +qpf bias. So we’re rooting for a bust that goes the opposite way or typical errors! Not impossible. There have been examples. It’s not totally dead. But it’s on life support and we need some world class surgeon to swoop in and perform a miracle surgery.

Thanks. Ya we’ve noted this too. I tried to fire out wha it was but it’s as if they set the freezing temp to 35 instead of 32 or something. It defaults anything close to snow.

There is still a wave around the 24 and it’s close. It’s a little north on most guidance but given season trends don’t mind that

You guess? What’s your point? There is no way to know whether that storm would still be snow now without knowing what the temps were DURING the snow. Not 12 hours before or after. Thats irrelevant. But oddly you know exactly what the temp was when it don’t matter but can only guess when it’s pertinent to the discussion. You think you’re clever when really it’s transparent exactly what you’re doing. Go BS somewhere else. Everyone here knows your act and it’s old tired and boring.

Because someone always baits us into that AGW to shit it down. As long as no one takes the bait…

This. I’ve told you and others this before. Places south of us are not getting more snow than us. I showed you the snowfall the last 10 years in a ton of random southern cities and none have more snow than Baltimore over the last 10 years. Not one. Some had more snow one single season. Others more a different year. This is perception bias. You don’t pay attention to exactly where the storms missing to our south hit. Or the frequency. Yea New Orleans got that big snow last year. But that’s the only damn big snow they got in the last 10 years! Charlotte got one a couple weeks ago. But they’ve only had a few storms over 10 years! Same with Raleigh, Nashville, Dallas, Little Rock, find me one city south of us that actually has more snow. Do some research before you make a declarative theory or statement. Don’t go on perception. Yes we will be like Raleigh and get some southern sliders. So every 3 years we will get one damn snowstorm. But hey we will get that storm that used to go south of us. Winning!!!

For the record I am not talking about human AGW I am simply discussing how our snow climo is changing and I am not taking the bait to engage in the causation AGW debate

Except it’s been made very clear to us that the larger discussion about cyclical v man made and all that is strictly off limits for political reasons. That’s why you don’t hear people commenting on it. It’s off limits. The fact it’s warmer now than 30/50/100 year ago is just a fact and how it affects our snow climo v 30/50/100 years ago isn’t political.

I got 1” last week lol

If there was it would be snow NW of 95. A more N more amped system actually is colder in this case because it’s only the surface that’s torched and heavier precip would dynamically cool temps more

@Cobalt you’re 100% but please delete and just ignore that jackass. He is baiting you. And worse when he gets you to engage in the more political aspects then suddenly someone finds a mod and cries and then the whole thing gets shut down. It’s the same game. He is baiting you. Delete and move on. Anyone dumb enough to believe what he said isn’t worth your time and is too stupid to understand the science you’re using to prove your point anyways.