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Well, I say the European collective is a close third, but China and the US are tightly connected. Now back to the regularly scheduled covid virus programming, the US and China are not getting along, and the virus is going to alter the economic dynamics going forward. Something will change and it might be painful for awhile!

Plus 1. Politics has been this ‘base’ before, but like in the 1800s. There were new parties formed all the time.

Agree. And PS we aren’t the only developed economy doing this, which kind of makes the relative value of major currencies stable, so we aren’t getting ‘devalued’ if that makes sense. We stay on top, even if the bar is moving lower for everyone. We kind of have loaded dice too which helps.

Actually, trump has placed more sanctions on Russia than any president since Gorbechev was their dictator. It’s amazing no one knows this. The days of Yore... in the 90s Clinton actually gave Yeltsin money to pay the collapsed Russian pension system...we were their best hope as a partner for a bright future, you remember glasnost and all. Relations between Russia and the US...seemed like world peace was at hand! Gorby, the beloved Nobel peace prize winner (who prosecuted the Soviet war in Afghanistan with bloodlust - he even threatened to nuke Pakistan if they didn’t close the Khyber pass to arms smuggling), was made into a international hero. What a turnabout! It really seemed like flowers and sunshine everywhere. Now that’s all ****ed up. It’s known as the new Cold War, and it’s totally contrived, and we started it up again like an old habit. Russiagate just gave it more nourishment. We should be friends with Russia , and we will be soon enough. We have a common foe, and you know, the enemy of my enemy...is my friend. The global power struggle will align Russia and the US, damn the politics of it. But it won’t be trump. There is a much much bigger picture here than some fleeting contrived conspiracy. You don’t have to like Putin, but For my money I’d rather work with him than some of the other options out there (namely Ji). Putin is the most impressive (I mean successfull) statesmen of this century.

What he said.

They are selling treasuries. The government will have to pay it back. Interest rates are very low, so it’s actually it’s a good time to borrow, but it’s a lot money. This is how the government ads cash to the money supply. Printing money and paying itself with it is a no go. It will kill the currency and we will be crushed with inflation. That’s when you need a wheel barrow of 100 dollar bills to buy a loaf of bread. Venezuela printed money to pay debt and starved its people to death as a side effect.

Russia gate needs a dirt nap. It’s over. Did the Russian f@#$ with our heads? Why yes they did. They have been doing that since Stalin. Notably financing the anti war movement in the 60s and the global anti nuclear weapons movement in the 70s and 80s. Even green peace got their money. Old fashioned f$ckery. When the kremlin archives were opened in the 90s all this stuff was exposed. Joe McCarthy was an ass but he turned out to be right. More recently, in 2016 they financed pro trump AND pro Clinton rallies on the same day in NYC to stir things up. Their strategy is fomenting civil war in this country, and the plan has met with success at every turn. Sun Tsu would be proud. However, NONE of their other efforts to date has been as successful as Russiagate, which ironically they had nothing to do with. They want us to beat ourselves to death and we are doing it. We are bickering on a weather board about it, in a thread about a virus. Amazing success for them, and we didn’t even need Russia’s help! Now, did Russian pay Trump? No. Did they pay other politicians? YES. The one who trump ran against, and beat. When Clinton approved the sale of nuclear fuel to Russia as Secretary of State, the Clinton foundation got a fat check. 25 million I think? Also, billy (the husband) got $500,000 for a speech in Russia. Yes it all happened. It could be, and appears to me, that Russia has got the entire situation firmly in hand and we do not. I do not wonder why Putin is so popular.

What they want is transparency in government, which they know to be antithetical for communist government. Communism can’t exist without controlling information. China has been self governing for 6000 years and they never once sniffed it. I don’t think China ‘grew’ it in a lab, but they might have been irresponsible at the lab, and then lied about it. The first lie was they said it wasn’t transmittable human to human. The WHO went along with that for some reason, and that’s why they will be broke.

If this were a fascist nation, we would not be having this particular discussion. Lol. Fascist. Silly. I don’t know from what school one would get a piece paper from that would lead you to believe america was fascist but it should shut down for malpractice. If I had that piece of paper I’d tear it up and get a refund.

Pretty brutal. It’s pork, but we won’t get bills passed without pork, no matter what the national emergency is. I’m from a small town but 200 million is a lot of money. Seems like a bailout to me, so I won’t judge. If corporations don’t get a backstop there won’t be any jobs for people to return to. My wife is a teacher and her pension will go bust. Yes public employees own massive massive pieces of those corporations and without them...they aren’t any public pension systems period. My wife is a huge stakeholder in American corporations.. and she works for the government! If you don’t like corporations it’s easy to resolve....all you have to do is stop buying Nike, iPhones, Fords, band aids, soap, tape, carpet, gas, food, etc. no big deal. Then you are good. You make the necessities yourself like soap, and grow food. An alternative is to get in on it! Go buy a share of Apple for example. Let’s say you like iPhones but the company is too greedy. Well, you get an envelope in the mail each year and you get to vote on who’s on the board! You can decide if they are too greedy. It’s YOUR money. If you don’t like how it goes, sell it and get a Samsung. It’s pretty democratic actually, and amazing you have that right as a shareholder.

this is a great thread. One storm I wish I had a chance to see is that lake effect storm out in western NY in November 2016. 60 inches in spots! We all saw the pictures. The threads from that storm were unreal. I love synoptic snows, but you cannot deny 5 feet! even if its fake ;-)

My first encounter with thundersnow - I thought for sure it would be my last and only experience with it. It was in upstate NY, I think around New Years in 2003(?). There was a 2 part storm with rain and ice in round one, and then a 15 inch snowfall when the storm hit the coast, so I am thinking it was a Miller B. I chalked up the thunder and lightening to the rainstorm lifting out and figured its a once in a lifetime deal. Since then, I probably experienced it 3 times, 2006 and 2016 certainly, and one time out snowmobiling in the adirondaks in the middle of the night, probably in 2007. That was WEIRD. My son and I were trying to get back in town before this particular storm got too ugly, but as we came out of the higher terrain the snow turned to rain and sleet and the skies were lighting up. He was 10 and freaking out for all the right reasons - Dark, cold, scary weather and alone! We made it. I don't recall thundersnow in 93 or 96 but there must have been, and I could have chalked it up to any number of other things, like a plow truck or a transforming blowing somewhere.

Was thinking that. Hmm

Yep. The thing had a gulf connection all the way to Maine, too.

(Referring to 93, meant to quote weatherproof) That was a well modeled storm...thinking it was brewing for 4 or 5 days in the media. Unusual for the time.

Forgot about feb 2006. That was the only major storm that winter IIRC. I got 25 in Westchester. Really powdery, and it should be on the top 3 list but... January 96 January 2016 I was upstate for ‘93. From where I was sitting, that was the grandaddy of them all. And I am OK with never seeing anything like it again. 3 feet of snow and 50 MPH wind. The kids won’t understand, but you could pick up a newspaper and read about this storm that was in Georgia on its way north a couple days later. It felt like Godzilla was coming! Nowhere to hide.

I thought the thing right over our heads? (NYC that is). I checked some historical maps - it looks like 2 frames (12 hours), the 850 low was right over NYC before it moved east. Then it looked like it hugged the coast of LI - way too close to draw in the cold. Upstate NY got smoked ala superstorm. The storm whose name I shall not say...

There should be 'worst bust' contest. I imagine it would come down to between March 2001 and '15. At least it snow some in '15. Maybe not everyone was around in 2001 to recall it, but the city went from 20 inches+ forecast to bupkis...all rain. Some people cashed in big in both storms, just not anywhere near where they were supposed to.