with not much to get excited for in the short to medium range, discussion turns to long range....I always know it's a bad pattern when we see day 10 OP runs posted LOL. December should finish +3 to as much as +4 depending on how the last week turns out.
with regard to clippers agree, only way they produce is if there is an arctic airmass in place and the clipper moves just south of you. No arctic air anywhere for the foreseeable future.