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Everything posted by Stormchaserchuck1
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Opposite of last year https://ibb.co/dL5941t
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That's one heck of a +PNA/Aleutian trough on the 18z GFS ensembles.. but believe it or not, PNA is only correlated to Mid Atlantic weather at 0.1-0.2 in December. In January it goes up to 0.5-0.6 https://ibb.co/PWB2bSx https://ibb.co/160H289 https://ibb.co/2WBZ6tx https://ibb.co/KKP2ZHQ Still a <-240dm ensemble mean average this far out (days 12-15) is very strong.
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We had like 80 snow days in 02-03
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It's pretty cool out today. I was driving around thinking that this is a chilly airmass for it being the start of the warmer period (indexes). It does feel like cooler Dec's before cooler Winter's imo.. Models do trend based on current conditions.
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Mid-Atlantic Snow Totals Thread - Winter 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to mattie g's topic in Mid Atlantic
It's very hard to go into and out of a -NAO without a Trace or some light snow. I had a dusting last March when the NAO was heading back to 0, and in December it snowed briefly when the NAO was lifting up too. -
El Nino 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
^ Since 1948, El Nino/-QBO correlates to +anomaly at 10mb in the Winter 75% of the time, and La Nina/+QBO correlates to -anomaly at 10mb in the Winter 75% of the time. The El Nino is +2.1, and QBO -19, so they are both top 15% strongest. -
El Nino 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
If it's starting today, the highest correlation to 500mb -NAO starts ~Jan 5-10. -
This is a strong 11-15 day signal for +EPO on the 6z GEFS. https://ibb.co/sq5tH7X We haven't had any snow in stronger +EPO I think for at least the last 5-6 years. Looking for the model to change (it's been in flux more than average this year), or for that AK trough to become +PNA in the time after... but we likely won't see any snow for the next 15-16 days after today. That can also be a very warm pattern as it evolves.
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Doesn't explain why the N. Pacific low ends up in Alaska. Truth is it's just a handful of years, and given more examples, the normal forcing rules will prevail: North and South of where the OLR/heat is on the equator. Here's Jan-Feb.. no correlation over Alaska https://ibb.co/1XjjcNm December.. gasp.. a 0.1 correlation over Alaska lol which I think is just a lack of samples https://ibb.co/V2CyLcG Wavelengths does make Jan-Feb overall a higher correlation though.. no doubt the correlation could kick into gear then.. but I do think it's something else at play really fighting +PNA right now.
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The actual tropical forcing should favor a cooler Dec as well. What is so special about the month December that makes it break normal ENSO-forcing? Too many lazy correlations imo
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500mb low over Alaska is the worst pattern for snow.
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I know.. I'm starting to root for January to be warm lol. Euro weeklies bust and every other seasonal model.
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It looks to me like it's a load pattern for late Dec/early Jan -NAO.. Ridge over the NE-eastern Canada and Scandinavia roll forward to about a +60dm anomaly over Greenland in 1-2 weeks. in other words, all the forecasts for cold coming around and after Christmas are giving us a blowtorch pattern before then lol. There is heavy model agreement for a +10mb in the first week of Jan too, so that may also be part of what we are seeing as a -NAO load pattern.
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So tired of hearing about the MJO, it's stale. In that last 5 years, real time, I found that it's not a very successful forecasting method. My roll forward methods also showed close to random success beyond D-0. Nino 3.4 is +2.15, why not focus on that? That's what's not working. lol
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El Nino 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
They actually vary at different times of the year. In Nov, it takes 10mb 40-50 days to downwell, and in March, 10-15 days on average. Dec 25th the lag is 30 days, and Jan 15 the lag is 25 days, so that would make the Jan 25-Feb 10 period the highest likely to have -NAO. -
El Nino 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
10mb Correlation to 500mb -NAO around Jan 9th is ~+25 days, so that would favor -NAO centered on Feb 3. -
We held the -NAO through the end of December that year, with the N. Pacific ridge even intensifying (expanded -AO re-up). https://ibb.co/qB11CVd https://ibb.co/vZCvYJd Current models today have -NAO sticking in the medium range, and maybe the long range. The -PNA in Dec 2010 was actually the start of a phase shift, We hadn't seen values anywhere near that in the PNA region since satellite era in 1948. Dec 2021 eventually topped that.
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Wow-- AO near -3 right now.
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Not true.. December has the highest correlation in the NE https://ibb.co/XWm9VzH https://ibb.co/QDy6k40 https://ibb.co/Jk4TxVc
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Winter 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to Stormchaserchuck1's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
December low Natural Gas price for the following February, 20 years data since 1997. https://ibb.co/QjxPLwW 2.78, top 10 lowest analogs averaged about 2.5, top 10 highest analogs averaged about 6.0. -
Since 2019, and really 2013, -NAO has been correlating with -PNA/+EPO, and +NAO has been correlating with +PNA/-EPO. The frequency of happenings is greater than what would be random.
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Look familiar? These are our last two Dec 10-18's (2021, 2022) https://ibb.co/R3Pcbt3
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El Nino 2023-2024
Stormchaserchuck1 replied to George001's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Actually, we had a strong -PNA Dec 10-18 each of the last two years. https://ibb.co/FmP0kb1 https://ibb.co/DQcP131 Current models have the -PNA again for Dec 10-18 this year.. this tendency toward continuum despite El Nino makes me think again we don't blow out February with +PNA, like a lot of people/models think -
Here's the 384hr prog though https://ibb.co/wKX9Krm It has some general accuracy Of course, that could always become a big -NAO for January
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The PNA stands for Pacific-North America, so it's partially calculated over our region. 1/3 of the PNA is in the N. Pacific, over the Aleutian islands in Alaska, 1/3 is on the West Coast, and 1/3 the East coast. Therefore, if the PNA like -3, that's because there's usually a ridge on the east coast downstream.