SnowGolfBro

I’m remaining hopeful that warm weather will help in our attempts to slow the spread of the virus. Other than the hot spot in New Orleans, many warmer areas have seen far less cases and deaths. Florida sees a ton of travel from The north during the winter. They have about 600 deaths from the virus. I think the country will be able to “open up” from south to north starting on May 1.

I like May 1st as a target for Midwest states and some southern states. Places like NYC, New Orleans, Detroit may be looking at June 1 or later. The mid Atlantic I’d put somewhere in between May 1 and June 1. It’s kind of like long range weather predictions. So many variables. Who knows what May 1 will look like a week from now. Could be more promising in a lot of places or not.

Keep posting well thought out posts like you always do. The mods have their inherent biases. The people that defend the mods deleting posts have the same biases. It seems this thread has so much politics baked in the cake it should have at least one moderator with a different set of Inherent biases. That way there can be some communication about Both sides crossing the line. Nothing is going to ever perfectly fair. But IMO either all comments should be allowed (not ideal because of trolls) or an attempt should be made to have a moderator with a different view provide input.

My man we are going to be tracking winter weather again in a matter of months (maybe even this week lol). No hard feelings at all. I think we can all agree we want this virus to die a quick and unceremonious death!

She is on the front line so i value her opinion. She agreed with the social distancing policies in the short term. As most everybody did. But that attitude is changing quickly in my interactions with people.

Sure. You brought up the one percent and the super rich. Well they are the ones who are going to survive this shutdown and economic turmoil. I am worried about the 99% of people who don’t earn 7 figures. The people that are having their life savings wiped out. The people that are suffering severe depression from “the response” to the Pandemic. I’m not saying that there should be no weight given to concerns about the virus and the deaths it has caused and will cause. Those are tragedies. I am happy to hear opinions for staying shut down for months on end. But that is not my opinion. I believe we need to get moving again as a society before things deteriorate any further. And i got a little worked up with the BS comment. My apology for the brashness of that statement. Just felt i was giving an opinion in support of letting people live their lives again and you threw “Fox News” at me. I still don’t understand that

Why shouldn’t we be looking for a way to start the economy back up as soon as possible? Do we want 10s of millions of people to be without jobs waiting in bread lines? If you are old or have a comorbidity you need to take precautions as you see fit. If you are young and otherwise healthy, keep washing your hands maintaining distance from others where reasonable and wear a mask if necessary. People will not continue to go blindly along with destroying their lives. #openitup!

Well they just got a contract to feed some FEMA responders staying in a local Hotel! So he and his chef can get paid a few more weeks. They toyed with the idea of delivery. But the business model for most dine in/full service restaurants relies on Alcohol sales. So the to go food option is nearly impossible for a lot of restaurants.

This is what makes this situation so diabolical. Your situation is frightening and i genuinely feel your pain. My brother is a restaurant manager. His life has been upended. He is depressed, out of work and no idea if or when he will be able to provide for himself. So extrapolate your issues to the macro level. And extrapolate my brothers issues to the macro level. And we can see the struggle that is taking shape is encompassed in these two examples. Damn tough situation.

We have shut down society in an effort to save lives. Certainly a noble undertaking on the surface. We can reasonably assume that the virus will not spread as fast or as widely under the stay at home orders (but it will still spread because people are going to get food, medicine etc). So I’m not arguing that the policies in place currently aren’t helping some people avoid getting the virus and keeping others from dying from the virus. I am arguing that the unintended consequences these decisions are causing are getting exponentially worse and longer lasting everyday. It’s a brutal situation. Not an easy answer in my opinion. But we need to have an open conversation about mortality from a virus vs our way of life in the short and long term.

It’s much worse. They are random and injure indiscriminately. At least the virus tends to disproportionately affect the elderly and the infirmed.

it’s the law of unintended consequences. If u just look at the lives saved by enacting a policy (any policy you think will save lives) but fail to understand the unrelated consequences, you end up in the situation we are in today.

Finally someone who gets it!!! I didn’t think it was that complicated of a scenario. Soon people are going to go back to their lives because it’s a risk people will be willing to take. Just like we do every day.

What is your question? It is a hypothetical scenario. I’d be happy to elaborate to clarify the comparison.

So if 35000 people die a year from Covid 19 in a stable predictive pattern then you are good with getting back to normal? And a couple hospitals are overwhelmed like in NYC. However the vast majority of hospitals are actually not overwhelmed or anywhere close.

You miss the point entirely. We can mitigate the spread of the virus. We can also mitigate traffic deaths. It’s about assessing risk. We can lower the speed limit to 25 mph with strict enforcement and limit deaths on the roads to near zero. But it will be destructive to commerce and people’s lives. Same with Covid 19. We can enforce Strict social distancing and stay at home orders to reduce the number of deaths. But that comes with economic destruction as well. So it’s a cost benefit analysis comparison that makes perfect sense.

Again GDP is used as an abstract term. It is a measure of our productivity, which is directly related to our ability to work, socialize and enjoy life. Personally, i do not know anyone who has died from Covid 19. That may change sadly. However, i know many people personally that have had there lives ruined, or are teetering on the edge due to the destruction of our “GDP”.

We have to go back not to save the economy, but to save humanity. The economy is thrown around as some abstract term. The economy is people. It is our interactions, our livelihoods. People will not stand for this for months on end. Here is a question for everyone. If the governor of your state came out today and said we will be locked down for 12 months, would you abide? Or would u push back? How about 6 months? 3 months? 1 month (not even there yet in most places)?

If the trend is our friend, the next jump south would have us worried about too much of a good thing lol.

We had 70 degree weather in January 2016....and then something happened a couple weeks later. And it was awesome.

8 inches

SN in Montclair. Amazing

Moderate snow in Montclair. Streets were clear for hours in light precip. Everything covered now and good rates

Fatties in Montclair and ripping

Still snowing in Montclair.nice wave just to my W/SW heading this way. 29 degrees