SnowGolfBro

Why shouldn’t we be looking for a way to start the economy back up as soon as possible? Do we want 10s of millions of people to be without jobs waiting in bread lines? If you are old or have a comorbidity you need to take precautions as you see fit. If you are young and otherwise healthy, keep washing your hands maintaining distance from others where reasonable and wear a mask if necessary. People will not continue to go blindly along with destroying their lives. #openitup!

Well they just got a contract to feed some FEMA responders staying in a local Hotel! So he and his chef can get paid a few more weeks. They toyed with the idea of delivery. But the business model for most dine in/full service restaurants relies on Alcohol sales. So the to go food option is nearly impossible for a lot of restaurants.

This is what makes this situation so diabolical. Your situation is frightening and i genuinely feel your pain. My brother is a restaurant manager. His life has been upended. He is depressed, out of work and no idea if or when he will be able to provide for himself. So extrapolate your issues to the macro level. And extrapolate my brothers issues to the macro level. And we can see the struggle that is taking shape is encompassed in these two examples. Damn tough situation.

We have shut down society in an effort to save lives. Certainly a noble undertaking on the surface. We can reasonably assume that the virus will not spread as fast or as widely under the stay at home orders (but it will still spread because people are going to get food, medicine etc). So I’m not arguing that the policies in place currently aren’t helping some people avoid getting the virus and keeping others from dying from the virus. I am arguing that the unintended consequences these decisions are causing are getting exponentially worse and longer lasting everyday. It’s a brutal situation. Not an easy answer in my opinion. But we need to have an open conversation about mortality from a virus vs our way of life in the short and long term.

It’s much worse. They are random and injure indiscriminately. At least the virus tends to disproportionately affect the elderly and the infirmed.

it’s the law of unintended consequences. If u just look at the lives saved by enacting a policy (any policy you think will save lives) but fail to understand the unrelated consequences, you end up in the situation we are in today.

Finally someone who gets it!!! I didn’t think it was that complicated of a scenario. Soon people are going to go back to their lives because it’s a risk people will be willing to take. Just like we do every day.

What is your question? It is a hypothetical scenario. I’d be happy to elaborate to clarify the comparison.

So if 35000 people die a year from Covid 19 in a stable predictive pattern then you are good with getting back to normal? And a couple hospitals are overwhelmed like in NYC. However the vast majority of hospitals are actually not overwhelmed or anywhere close.

You miss the point entirely. We can mitigate the spread of the virus. We can also mitigate traffic deaths. It’s about assessing risk. We can lower the speed limit to 25 mph with strict enforcement and limit deaths on the roads to near zero. But it will be destructive to commerce and people’s lives. Same with Covid 19. We can enforce Strict social distancing and stay at home orders to reduce the number of deaths. But that comes with economic destruction as well. So it’s a cost benefit analysis comparison that makes perfect sense.

Again GDP is used as an abstract term. It is a measure of our productivity, which is directly related to our ability to work, socialize and enjoy life. Personally, i do not know anyone who has died from Covid 19. That may change sadly. However, i know many people personally that have had there lives ruined, or are teetering on the edge due to the destruction of our “GDP”.

We have to go back not to save the economy, but to save humanity. The economy is thrown around as some abstract term. The economy is people. It is our interactions, our livelihoods. People will not stand for this for months on end. Here is a question for everyone. If the governor of your state came out today and said we will be locked down for 12 months, would you abide? Or would u push back? How about 6 months? 3 months? 1 month (not even there yet in most places)?

If the trend is our friend, the next jump south would have us worried about too much of a good thing lol.

We had 70 degree weather in January 2016....and then something happened a couple weeks later. And it was awesome.

8 inches

SN in Montclair. Amazing

Moderate snow in Montclair. Streets were clear for hours in light precip. Everything covered now and good rates

Fatties in Montclair and ripping

Still snowing in Montclair.nice wave just to my W/SW heading this way. 29 degrees

Close to 6 inches in Montclair and currently SN

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Light flurries in Montclair. It’s go time!

Pummels PWC. And one more North shift and some of our MD friends get in the mix

Looks better around DC but Baltimore not as much

6z was back when we were excited for 4-6 inches. The NAM was almost like a test by the mods to flush out the weenies. It worked on me lol!