the_other_guy

Drive from JFK to Westchester

More snow fell south today than up here.

5F and falling

After all that...a normal January temp wise. Haha. Would have thought the world was ending if you read through this monthly thread.

Perspective!

Im not sure why anyone in NYC was happy or excited about prospects here.

It has been pretty obvious for past 3 hours... in race between temps and precip...temps werent fast enough

Aint happening

Looks like rain/snow line has moved in wrong direction as precipitation has picked up?

With regards to Climate Change in respect to THIS winter in THIS sub forum:

Regions West of us above normal snow

Regions North of us normal to above normal snow

Regions South of us above normal snow

Philly-Boston is in a snow hole.

If we cry Climate change for every regional anomaly that we dont like, we distract from the real issues of climate change and give fodder to those that dont like CC facts.

How does the Climate Change discussion fit into a regional discussion when talking about cities in Maine this winter? Or Chicago?

If anything, the last few regional winters have demonstrated climate change extremes in a much more obvious way than this one has: extreme warmth and monster snow storms.

This winter features a cutter/hugger/suppressed pattern that seems entrenched.

The one particularly alarming thing about this winter is the early snow followed by nothing.

One has to wonder if Nov did not happen, would we be making a run at the lowest total ever in CPK?

Just now, HeadInTheClouds said:

Wrong. There is a big difference between 0 and -20. 

That is opinion. Both will kill you if you are exposed...that is fact

Lake Plaid routinely gets down to -20 during cold snaps...ive been there twice for it...it aint pretty, but not as bad as you think.

At some point cold is just cold.

Anybody else looking at that -12F for a high temp this week in Chicago?

We are barely getting the edge of that airmass.

22 minutes ago, weatherpruf said:

Well climate change is a theory in the same way evolution is. At some point winters like this one probably will be the norm in our area. 

Just perspective on this winter… Near normal (slightly AN) temperatures and not much snow.

You go back to November and you start charting it out...that is what you get.

Seems lost on this site, But we have not witnessed the AN temperature extremes we have gotten over the last few years.

No offense, the experts on this forum kept telling us about snow and cold for xmas week until the Saturday before xmas.

Please, with all respect to the experts and the patterns that are locked in, You don’t have the ability to make a zero snowfall February and March prediction during the last week of January.

If bad patterns and AN temps meant no snow, NYC would have had a few snowless winters over the past few years.

Again, no offense meant...but let’s get real with LR forecasting...especially being in uncharted territory with Pacific waters

Just want to say...Park City skiing...feet of snow. 2 feet in town...more on hills

That is amazing as it is 39 here less than 15 miles north. And I was in Queens earlier this evening where it was 44.

2 hours ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

To me winters get their good grades through sustained snow cover. I need at least 60 days in the mid November through April 1  period with snow cover or the winter is a bust IMO. The last 2 winters I've gone over that, 67 days last year and 84 days the year before. This winter I'm at 9 days, that's a sh!tty winter, at least so far.

One big storm that melts within the week would not help much, at least from my perspective.

You are in a much colder climate than most people in the metro area.  up in the Newberg area you could have snow on the ground that sticks around even in marginal temperatures . Not so in the 5 boros. Most people think of 2015 and 16 as featuring the largest snowstorm ever… But it was gone Very quickly because it was a ridiculously warm winter.

But that means you don’t enjoy winter correct ? 

I’m just thinking if you like cold and snow this winter Has been more consistently cold than recent winters.

For instance, that miracle snowstorm last February… Book ended by 70° weather...I would trade that snowstorm for consistently cold February with chances of snow.

The last few winters have featured snow that falls and quickly melts

Anybody else not all gloom and doom about this winter?

Frankly, despite the lack of snow, I am enjoying the consistent cold and almost no extreme warmth that was featured in our last few winters.

Other than the 2 weeks around the Holidays, most of this winter from Nov onward has been surprisingly seasonal or BN...something we haven’t seen in a long time.

If I never save another 60 or 70 during winter months, I would be happy!

5 hours ago, SnoSki14 said:

And I'm assuming that's going to screw everything up for us in February. 

This entire winter thus far has not followed the typical narrative and I don't think it ever will. It's been the most frustrating winter I've ever experienced.

Right now I think there's a 30% chance that November's event won't be topped. I give a 10% chance that we don't see more than an inch of snow for the rest of the season.

You guys are assuming a back loaded El Nino was a given.

Looking at a list of historical El Ninos in February that someone posted a couple of weeks back, perhaps being in uncharted territory is a good thing.

El Nino February was/is no sure bet, historically speaking

You know its cold when a bottle of Coke left outside explodes.

I believe that is a 5 or 6F underneath all that frozen soda.

You have snowpack helping you...city does not.

16F in Hastings. We will go to single digits.

There is that elusive snow now!

Dont blink!

Back up to 39 now. And here comes the heavy backside rain

Lost 2° in the past hour.

34F

Not going to be 47 today

About one month left of “real” winter before normal highs start climbing into mid 40s.

36F Light Rain

Inch to and Inch 1/2 of icy snow turning to slush.

Lots of adjectives that dont add up to much

What are you guys using for radar now?

I was an Intellicast guy...dont know what the hell went on there...but that is gone

Snow/Sleet mix. Nice coating