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19 hours ago, bluewave said:

That’s not what the raw data says. The minimums and maximum departures have been running lower than the surrounding ASOS sites. NYC has also been running colder than many of the micronet sites. The first freeze in NYC was much closer to the recent average date than areas away from the heat Island. POU had one of their latest first freezes on record. While NYC wasn’t even close to its latest first freeze. 
 

NYC had the lowest temperature on the coldest morning this week for surrounding urban sites

11-24 low temperatures 

EWR…32

NYC…30

LGA….33

Corona….32

Queensbridge….32

East 40th Manhattan….33

What happened at TEB? 28F. Closer to CPK. Foliage?

And JFK 30F? Warm water mixed with Foliage?

You know what the real outlier has been in temperature readings? EWR. A sea of warmth. How many 70 degree readings this year? Many when no one else in the region crossed the threshold.

You know what is another warm outlier? LaGarbage. Their overnight mins are out of whack with the entire region. 

I know why at LGA…I dont know what is going on at EWR. 

But the narrative of LGA and EWR being Gospel and NYC being a throwaway really has gotten out of hand. Especially if we are talking about overnight lows…in late November…with few leaves on the trees and variances of a 28-33 in the immediate area.

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

Looks like the delayed leaf drop keeping the NYC ASOS in deep shade has allowed it to have a colder departure this month so far of the major ASOS sites. The other stations are -0.2 to +0.9.  While the departures will decline with colder temperatures to close out the month, NYC will be artificially low.

EWR…+0.9

NYC….-0.9

LGA…..+0.7

JFK….+0.2

ISP…..-0.2

 

Stop it! This is getting ridiculous with the leaves.

This wasnt a warm month and CPK was one of the last to record a freezing temperature in the region. It a postage stamp of grass in a sea of cement…totally insulated from elements by a wall of tall buildings on all sides

9 hours ago, SnoSki14 said:

March is the other cooler month and if November played out that way this year I wouldn't be surprised to see another cold March. 

Also think Jan & especially Feb torches unless there's massive blocking. Also hoping we see a 2017-2018 winter play out.

I don’t know about January and February but November and March seem to move in tandem lately. 

Another odd night of temps

37-39-30F at 630am

That is twice this week with the up and down temps.

Anyone know what is causing this?

Happy Thanksgiving

37F in Hastings

1 hour ago, psv88 said:

I went to college there for 4 years, they wedge pretty well and the higher elevations are more to their NE than the NW, so on a NW flow they dont downslope

It’s not consistent though. They’re talking about frigid outbreaks where the core is west of us unmoderated, but in general, they are much warmer than us

Just want to kick in some pilot stuff here

JFK is 5000 acres

LGA is 500 acres

LGA is a cluttered mess of buildings.

Most of JFK is open land

LGA is emblematic of Astoria.

JFK is emblematic of southern Nassau

Astoria was one of the hottest places I ever lived in. AC ran for almost 10 months a year

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

let's see if LGA gets to freezing or not.  That place has the fakest temps in the entire country, I can't believe anyone would use their data

The foliage. Too much foliage at LGA :/

Clippers dont bring 10 inches of snow.

Little more to that there…

27F at 7 am

24 minutes ago, psv88 said:

This is why we lock in a contract 

Gas all the way!

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

hit 32 though like JFK did

but here's a delicate question, can it be considered a freezing day if the low is above 32.0? Because 0 C (actual freezing) is 32.0 F, not 32.2 or 32.4 or anything in between?

 

I think thats “first freeze” 

I see Central Park still didn’t get below freezing. Must be that foliage 

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Yup December seems to pretty much be lost as a winter month

Since 2010's Boxing Day storm we haven't seen much winter in December.

 

that isn’t hard and fast. Last December for instance.

The Boxing Day storm was a major storm…but there have been several December snows since then.

What we have lost is extended cold weather in December. If you want to look at a month that’s lost to a season I’ll give you September. But December isnt quite there yet.

Ironically the warmer Decembers have been coupled with cooler Novembers.

Only in this forum could you guys be talking about warmth and tornadoes on the coldest night of the year.

Just landed at JFK. With the wind it is brutal outside. Enjoy it

TOGA thrust takeoffs and sporty landings this evening Up and down the East Coast

2 hours ago, Rjay said:

Islip's temps last night were bouncing all over the place. 

Mine too. 40-48-44 weird

5 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Lack of cold air will be the main issue next few weeks.   It's early so no big deal.

Gets late early…:)

After several sub freezing nights I can finally say everything is dead and growing season is over!

5 hours ago, bluewave said:

The Southeast will have departures approaching -20 before Thanksgiving.

 

 

I went to college in Daytona.

There were a handful of times when the temperature down there was colder in the winter than it was in New York City.

It usually involved the scenario you have posted here plus a cold front that cleared Florida but was hung up clearing the northeast… Which is also unusual because while Florida is to the west a cold front usually moves northwest to southeast. Think cutter scenario.

Temperatures would be in the mid 40s in Florida and low 50s in NYC. These scenarios always occurred on winter nights

21 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The near record warm ocean is more impressive. Long Island pushing 60° with a southerly wind. The SSTs are still near 60° in late November.

Shirley        CLEAR     59  51  75 S9     
 

I see that! JFK 55F at moment!

Good point on the ocean temperatures which never really cooled in October. This will come back to haunt Long Island in marginal situations in December

40F This morning in Westchester

49F In the concrete jungle (Bronx)

That is why we have some city folk talking about their thriving tomatoes

1 hour ago, David-LI said:

Rain followed by sunshine and temperature in the 20s

I mean…its November. If I was a betting man…

2 hours ago, uncle W said:

31 for my first freeze...Central Park 39...

Must be the overgrown foliage…

30F at 6am. Coolest night thus far…ironic that today moderates

1 hour ago, uncle W said:

 

Mainly a grass and cold surface event. kicked off a great winter!

2 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Thanksgiving week most likely 

It's amazing how areas around the area have gotten to freezing many times and Central Park can't.  Have to get rid  of the asphalt  lol

Its true. Good indication of how much we have destroyed earth with development